Neo Uruk Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Good god, and they say I'm bad at diplomacy and public speaking? Edited August 6, 2014 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The member, who has been playing for around for maybe 6 months, thought that the in game sanction/team senate proposals were the same as alliance announcemenst in the sense that they came from the alliances leadership. It's not that complicated. Simple noob mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 So much fail in this situation, on both sides. Best part is LSF voting for an inactive Senator, though. Defender was an alright guy, but the last thing an alliance/team needs is an inactive Senator. [cut]-Xavier lannister August 2014 Bravo, sir. Had the same thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The member, who has been playing for around for maybe 6 months, thought that the in game sanction/team senate proposals were the same as alliance announcemenst in the sense that they came from the alliances leadership. It's not that complicated. Simple noob mistake. LSF are reasonable, im sure something can be worked out. I missed your query last night but should be around tonight ill try and track you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Harkonnen Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'm not arguing your right to defend yourself nor the legitimacy of the attacks in any way. Im just saying that it's 2 nations.... You won't win much public pity by coming to the owf about 2 sub 15k ns nations attacking you nor 3 trade and aid sanctions (though I don't like to see ronjoy on that sanction list myself). You would probably have been better off doing this diplomatically behind closed doors. Either with the offending nations/senator or your and their allies to attempt to resolve this issue. Instead you come to the owf to "raise awareness" of the happenings on pink as if that would accomplish anything at all. Based on the information that I have, LSF made no less than three separate tries to resolve things diplomatically. One instance was met with nuclear assaults after peace offers were given out. Another was basically met with a flat out rejection of peace terms. The issue isn't that diplomacy wasn't tried, it is that DBDC, SPATR as well as people from Kaskus, will continue acting in this manner until the greater community will not tolerate it anymore. I can understand why it's happening and it's fairly common in this world. Most of the other powers are generally in a state of "semi-retirement. They sit and collect their taxes, build warchests and put out the occasional brush fire. But on the whole, they are done "playing the game". They will notwork on behalf of the greater community to police these sorts of menaces, regardless of the outcome. They would rather be content in the knowledge that they can and will do nothing until it hits their shores. The only problem is that by then, the world will be so poisoned by this attitude that the game's landscape will be scarred by it. So far what I've seen in this thread only further cements the fact that 'deffy' is ill suited to be a senator. All this talk of precedence, aged legitimacy, and privilege is unbecoming of LSF- its almost quaint in the feudal wellspring it draws upon. I think everyone is more than willing to talk this out. Before that can happen however, LSF needs to reel in their shameless roguing and accept some responsibility for the damage they did to my last collection. Libertarian socialism can't bring harmony to pink, LSF must align themselves to the systemizers regime or accept the due price of their reckless abandon. -Xavier lannister August 2014 Really, what the issue here is more about the freedom to vote rather than who we want elected. This nonsense of Defender being the rightful senator is rhetoric you're inventing to fit the overall narrative that's being spun here. All that's been pointed out, is the outrages regarding the fact members on pink are being sanctioned, and attacked based on their votes. Not who they put up for senate. SO far as I know, nobody from SWF has been attacked, nor has defenderland himself been attacked. You're merely attempting to add more mud to the pond and increase the murkiness surrounding what's really going on here: warrantless war against the Libertarian Socialist Federation and it's being disguised as...well nothing. Also, identifying me as "crazy" by associating me as Lannister is a tactic well used around the real world. The only problem is that it shows the arguments being marginalized often times have truth in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonsae Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 if they not in range how can they kill you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 So much fail in this situation, on both sides. Best part is LSF voting for an inactive Senator, though. Defender was an alright guy, but the last thing an alliance/team needs is an inactive Senator. We elect a senator that reflects our own level of activity. It's easy, every so often a message appears saying "vote or something and this message will go way" so we vote for Deffy and it goes away. If someone had come to us and said "Dont' vote for Deffy, we've got plans and stuff to make everything better, just ignore the message" we probably would have, some of us do already. They didn't do that though, they decided to tell a bunch of anarchists what to do and make threats. This is funny because there's absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop us voting, we don't even have to fight for it which is good because as anarchists fighting for the right to vote would be too much irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership.Who in the blue fuck do you think is gonna buy this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Harkonnen Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership. I refuse to be associated with you, have you speak on behalf of the Libertarian Socialist Federation, the Free Community of Giedi Prime or any pixel of my nation. You are on your own desert island my friend. I use the term "friend" loosely, mind you. Edited August 6, 2014 by Xavier Harkonnen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership.Like getting fired from both of the leadership positions you've had recently and kicked out of them in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Like getting fired from both of the leadership positions you've had recently and kicked out of them in the past? You mean in January? I've been doing quite fine since then thanks. Not sure what you are referring to in specific other than the Hand debacle, which was partially a political consequence of pushing HB to assist in your war effort against R&R. Edited August 6, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Yeah THAT was why you were removed, we definitely needed help on that front too. :D Edited August 6, 2014 by Saladjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Not going to bring up all the drama from that, but let's just say I wasn't the reason our assistance was delayed for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Red, now Pink. Fun times. Wish my comrades in LSF the best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanth Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership. "How to lead from peace mode" 101 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxasm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I refuse to be associated with you, have you speak on behalf of the Libertarian Socialist Federation, the Free Community of Giedi Prime or any pixel of my nation. You are on your own desert island my friend. I use the term "friend" loosely, mind you. Refusing to be associated with Tywin is good policy. On an unrelated note, your user title has some terrible grammar. The proper Latin would be "Pro ordine, pro voce, pro pace". Learn your cases, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 On an unrelated note, your user title has some terrible grammar. The proper Latin would be "Pro ordine, pro voce, pro pace". Learn your cases, mate. Anarchists don't recognize the rules of grammar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Wait, let me get this straight, SPATR is attacking LSF because LSF voted for a measure that SPATR's senator also voted for? o_O O_o Its like..you cut right to the heart of the pecer situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Being associated with me means being associated with strength, vitality and the principles of good leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untouchable Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Lol just a bunch of drama queen's. Stop whining and crying like little girls. Edited August 7, 2014 by untouchable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I would agree with your analysis in the second part if that is actually what happened. But what actually happened was that LSF was told not to vote for this senator on public message boards -- after someone did, the kaskus member in question (CIC) declared but did not attack. He asked if he should and just declared to keep the target out of peace mode. At which point the LSF member attacked FIRST, and CIC retaliated. Once I got online and was made aware of the situation I messaged 6 prominent LSF members (as they have no government) offering reps (despite not actually doing the first attacks) and peace. I was basically ignored, I only got a response from SabCat in which he stated he's not sure what is going on and he would check the forums/contact me on IRC. He never got back to me so I messaged him again and he said something similar and then posted this without actually contacting me. Considering the Kaskus nation has been nuked (despite being nonnuclear) I am rescinding my offer of reperations. If LSF actually wishes to handle this like any normal alliance would, I am available in many different mediums, many of which they have access to considering our history. Kaskus is alright in general, but your attempt to cast yourselves as victims in this is, ah, comedic. So much fail in this situation, on both sides. Best part is LSF voting for an inactive Senator, though. Defender was an alright guy, but the last thing an alliance/team needs is an inactive Senator. Bravo, sir. Had the same thought. It's my experience that most Senators are inactive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Lol just a bunch of drama queen's. Stop whining and crying like little girls. How about no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) It's my experience that most Senators are inactive. Well, probably alliances should reconsider their policies, then. But hey, who am I to give suggestions. Edited August 7, 2014 by Garion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 But hey, who am I to give suggestions. You are muther !@#$@#$ Garion. That's who you are. And to hell with anybody who doesn't listen to you, sir. To hell with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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