Scorponok Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='berbers' timestamp='1340833483' post='2998716'] Well considering VE's allies were active in an offensive war solely based around destroying their eternal MADP partner, I'd say they made the right choice. [/quote] Got downgraded to an MDoAP if I read the wiki right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Have fun you two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1340840429' post='2998832'] Got downgraded to an MDoAP if I read the wiki right. [/quote] Our treaty is an MDoAP, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Good luck NPO. Though....not that you will need it. I am sure you can handle this minor inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1340833992' post='2998729'] My apologies then, looking at it from that perspective, I think you did the best you could to please your current allies, just not the coalition you're helping. [/quote] Mogar, maybe you should spend more time talking to our so called "coalition" and get them to help themselves, rather than talk about how VE can help you. Watching our "coalition" fight is an embarrassment. I guess the good news for me is as a large nation I will actually have nations to fight. Edited June 28, 2012 by Sweeeeet Ronny D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This should be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340817263' post='2998454'] hahahaha oh my god that's great! This is another one of those "PB will last forever, you don't know anything!" posts isn't it? [/quote] Well at least its not an Odyssey DoE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1340826777' post='2998585'] MK's war against CSN is the reason for the season. I'll be stunned if MK doesn't also have the pressure on to drop VE. They have been asking CnG alliances to drop treaties and they technically aren't even in that bloc. [/quote] Who did they ask us to drop? Just out of curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1340835942' post='2998778'] Epic fail, kill this crummy alliance NPO [/quote] Do you like ANYONE? besides me of course..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltus Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340854406' post='2998990'] Who did they ask us to drop? Just out of curiosity. [/quote] It was us. They wanted you to drop us. THIS IS WHY SHADY BUSINESS COULD NEVER OCCUR RUSH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340854182' post='2998987'] Well at least its not an Odyssey DoE. [/quote] That was actually a very interesting and fun topic. What does that have to do with a VE declaration of war? Please explain. Edited June 28, 2012 by Omniscient1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340854605' post='2998996'] That was actually a very interesting and fun topic. What does that have to do with a VE declaration of war? Please explain. [/quote] Its unironic of course, that the topic was more interesting, fun, and successful, than the actual endeavor. But then again, with you at the helm, failure was the only option. Also, counterpoint: What did "this is another PB will last forever post" have to do with the VE DoW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well now. Defending one ally, while the rest of your allies are on the other side of the conflict? You horrible horrible miscreants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340854755' post='2998998'] Its unironic of course, that the topic was more interesting, fun, and successful, than the actual endeavor. Also, counterpoint: What did "this is another PB will last forever post" have to do with the VE DoW? [/quote] Lol no it wasn't more interesting, fun, or successful at accomplishing its goals. Incase you missed it my post had to do with whether or not there was hatred within DH for either VE (the declaring party) or NPO (the party being declared on). I know you're ignorant, but come on you're better than this. Edited June 28, 2012 by Omniscient1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1340855093' post='2999003'] Well now. Defending one ally, while the rest of your allies are on the other side of the conflict? You horrible horrible miscreants. [/quote] AvT, come on now you are better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1340833317' post='2998712'] you didn't ignore your treaties with the losing side like INT did, this makes you a bad boy and you are getting coal for Christmas. [/quote] Whatever I get for Christmas, I pay back sevenfold. And I think it's going to be something nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Sweeeeet Ronny D' timestamp='1340855687' post='2999009'] AvT, come on now you are better than that. [/quote] You know me, you ought to be able to understand what i meant. Seriously now. Tell me this, how does it feel to be able and willing to help out an ally who is outnumbered and needs that help? How does it feel to be willing and able to rush to help your beleaguered ally while knowing it will not end well for your own self? How does it feel to know that you would not change a thing about this decision given the same situation, regardless of hindsight? Tell me Viridia. How does it feel to be willing and able to be living upto the adage "my word is my bond"? Does it help you understand stuff? See more clearly? Sleep better? Cmon now, dont be shy, tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1340856443' post='2999015'] You know me, you ought to be able to understand what i meant. Seriously now. Tell me this, how does it feel to be able and willing to help out an ally who is outnumbered and needs that help? How does it feel to be willing and able to rush to help your beleaguered ally while knowing it will not end well for your own self? How does it feel to know that you would not change a thing about this decision given the same situation, regardless of hindsight? Tell me Viridia. How does it feel to be willing and able to be living upto the adage "my word is my bond"? Does it help you understand stuff? See more clearly? Sleep better? Cmon now, dont be shy, tell me. [/quote] If you're referring to the PB-NpO War, then there's a clear difference. Namely that Taut led us to believe that RoK would fight on our side, and later went back on his word. By contrast, our allies knew our likely course of action from the beginning of this conflict. Had Taut told us from the beginning that RoK planned to defend NpO in that war, then that war may never have happened. We certainly valued our ties to RoK more than pursuing a spy, and we could've worked something out with NpO. The "word is my bond" is the key part in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Cornelius' timestamp='1340856692' post='2999021'] If you're referring to the PB-NpO War, then there's a clear difference. Namely that Taut led us to believe that RoK would fight on our side, and later went back on his word. By contrast, our allies knew our likely course of action from the beginning of this conflict. Had Taut told us from the beginning that RoK planned to defend NpO in that war, then that war may never have happened. We certainly valued our ties to RoK more than pursuing a spy, and we could've worked something out with NpO. The "word is my bond" is the key part in all of this. [/quote] The good old days How did we all end up here Edited June 28, 2012 by Ogaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Cornelius' timestamp='1340856692' post='2999021'] If you're referring to the PB-NpO War, then there's a clear difference. Namely that Taut led us to believe that RoK would fight on our side, and later went back on his word. By contrast, our allies knew our likely course of action from the beginning of this conflict. Had Taut told us from the beginning that RoK planned to defend NpO in that war, then that war may never have happened. We certainly valued our ties to RoK more than pursuing a spy, and we could've worked something out with NpO. The "word is my bond" is the key part in all of this. [/quote] There is a lot that should have been said at the time, and can still be said not that it would make a whit of a difference now. OOC: I am pressed for time right now, i will look you up on irc someday, and we can talk then. Be good to catch up with old friends from time to time. Umm, if i do get on irc.. i am old and i forget stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Moon Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Cornelius' timestamp='1340856692' post='2999021'] Had Taut told us from the beginning that RoK planned to defend NpO in that war, then that war may never have happened. We certainly valued our ties to RoK more than pursuing a spy, and we could've worked something out with NpO. The "word is my bond" is the key part in all of this. [/quote] Taut and Joe did tell you from the beginning. The fact that some of RoK's more substantial allies chose to ignore the notification, or simply seemed not to care removes any fault from Ragnarok. That's why it was so @#%^ed up for the rest of SF (Xiph) to go behind RoK's back and organize hits on the 'other' side of that war. Honestly it may as well be ancient history at this point. At least have the humility to admit that these situations are eerily similar, even though this time you're the ones being bent over the barrel and shown the 50 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Dark Temptation' timestamp='1340857302' post='2999029'] bent over the barrel and shown the 50 states. [/quote] I love this saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Dark Temptation' timestamp='1340857302' post='2999029'] Taut and Joe did tell you from the beginning. The fact that some of RoK's more substantial allies chose to ignore the notification, or simply seemed not to care removes any fault from Ragnarok. That's why it was so @#%^ed up for the rest of SF (Xiph) to go behind RoK's back and organize hits on the 'other' side of that war. Honestly it may as well be ancient history at this point. At least have the humility to admit that these situations are eerily similar, even though this time you're the ones being bent over the barrel and shown the 50 states. [/quote] My only comment on this Rok crap is that you have no idea what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1340856443' post='2999015'] You know me, you ought to be able to understand what i meant. Seriously now. Tell me this, how does it feel to be able and willing to help out an ally who is outnumbered and needs that help? How does it feel to be willing and able to rush to help your beleaguered ally while knowing it will not end well for your own self? How does it feel to know that you would not change a thing about this decision given the same situation, regardless of hindsight? Tell me Viridia. How does it feel to be willing and able to be living upto the adage "my word is my bond"? Does it help you understand stuff? See more clearly? Sleep better? Cmon now, dont be shy, tell me. [/quote] I love you so. [quote name='Cornelius' timestamp='1340856692' post='2999021'] Had Taut told us from the beginning that RoK planned to defend NpO in that war, then that war may never have happened. We certainly valued our ties to RoK more than pursuing a spy, and we could've worked something out with NpO. The "word is my bond" is the key part in all of this. [/quote] Biggest crock of !@#$ i've ever heard. We tried stopping this the moment we were told. In fact Taut's decision was enhanced by the general "Meh" we received from you when we tried to mediate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Moon Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1340857853' post='2999067'] My only comment on this Rok crap is that you have no idea what you're talking about. [/quote] You didn't exactly address my post in any clear fashion, and that is quite an interesting angle to take seeing as I was Ragnarok's MoFA at the time... Like I said, please feel free to admit when you're wrong. I'm sure the rest of us would feel better knowing your head isn't completely buried in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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