Thank you. Thank you all very much.

[Thorgrum]

So if I am understanding this correctly, which I normally do the coalition could not extract from Methrage the words it designated as needed to successfully conclude this war. When I was active at Kashmir I told you you will need to prosecute this war for literally months of not a year at least to extract the words and even then Methrage would articulate a response here that would be tantamount to a denial. Its not in dispute that the pixels have been destroyed that the capacity of his side is mostly spent but that was never the point, the point was established victory conditions and achieving that end no matter the time investment. 

 

I understand that sticking your head up your collective rectums and convincing yourselves you have a victory is par for the course given the people involved but you settled, and everyone left on this planet is worse for it. I mean what else is there? The thanksgiving/Xmas annual curbstomp of Polar? At least with this you can still rid us all of a filthy stinking cancer that should be eradicated from all of our collective sight. Getting to roll Sigurn is just icing on the cake. 

 

Declaration of victory? Jesus no, open up the war to mercs, rogues and anyone else who wants a swing. The planet needs it, its dying and you all are contributing to it by following antiquated practices that really are only helping to expedite the games demise. 

 

Filth, every god dam one of you. 

[The Zigur]

This cease fire created a clean slate for both sides, in my opinion, the fresh attacks should be considered a new conflict launched by LN and CA. Thus the arguments made during the prior conflict do not apply to the current conflict. This opens the door to a peacekeeping and regional stability operation if the situation is not resolved diplomatically.

[Master Hakai]

We absolutely murdered our enemies. No need to prove it to anyone, it's what happened. Why are we still talking about it?

[Duderonomy]

So if I am understanding this correctly, which I normally do the coalition could not extract from Methrage the words it designated as needed to successfully conclude this war. When I was active at Kashmir I told you you will need to prosecute this war for literally months of not a year at least to extract the words and even then Methrage would articulate a response here that would be tantamount to a denial. Its not in dispute that the pixels have been destroyed that the capacity of his side is mostly spent but that was never the point, the point was established victory conditions and achieving that end no matter the time investment. 

 

I understand that sticking your head up your collective rectums and convincing yourselves you have a victory is par for the course given the people involved but you settled, and everyone left on this planet is worse for it. I mean what else is there? The thanksgiving/Xmas annual curbstomp of Polar? At least with this you can still rid us all of a filthy stinking cancer that should be eradicated from all of our collective sight. Getting to roll Sigurn is just icing on the cake. 

 

Declaration of victory? Jesus no, open up the war to mercs, rogues and anyone else who wants a swing. The planet needs it, its dying and you all are contributing to it by following antiquated practices that really are only helping to expedite the games demise. 

 

Filth, every god dam one of you. 

More like NG/NoR got Kashmir/NSO/everyone else to to agree to a white peace because it would get friends in CA out of the war.

 

Methrage acknowledged the terms of the peace and then broke them for whatever motivations exist in that broken brain of his. It appears that Sigrun supports his dishonorable actions.

 

The first two wars could've been smoothed over since they were peaced out quickly. Continued fighting can't be.

[Stonewall14]

This cease fire created a clean slate for both sides, in my opinion, the fresh attacks should be considered a new conflict launched by LN and CA. Thus the arguments made during the prior conflict do not apply to the current conflict. This opens the door to a peacekeeping and regional stability operation if the situation is not resolved diplomatically.

I concur and view these fresh attacks on Kashmir and Stripes as wars of aggression on Doom Squad's allies and friends... :popcorn:

[Sigrun Vapneir]

More like NG/NoR got Kashmir/NSO/everyone else to to agree to a white peace because it would get friends in CA out of the war.

 

Methrage acknowledged the terms of the peace and then broke them for whatever motivations exist in that broken brain of his. It appears that Sigrun supports his dishonorable actions.

 

The first two wars could've been smoothed over since they were peaced out quickly. Continued fighting can't be.

 

Quit believing the echo chamber in here. The facts are quite different. Get on IRC or send me a PM.

 

 

I concur and view these fresh attacks on Kashmir and Stripes as wars of aggression on Doom Squad's allies and friends... :popcorn:

 

Look at the OP. Not an agreement. No terms at all, no signatures. Not ours, not theirs.

 

This was never an agreement. It was a gambit from their side. They used it to get Sir William out of range before resuming hostilities.

 

We generously, at the urging of our allies, took it as an acceptance of our white peace offer, in good faith.  That has been proven a mistake. The attacks against Methrage did not cease - deliberately provocative violations of the peace.  One tiny non-nuclear nation on our side didnt get the memo and accidentally did and suddenly Kashmir is vowing eternal war again.

 

We have not carried out any attacks against those Stripes nations. Instead we have been engaged all day corresponding with those on the other side and those in #cnkashmir attempting to get a real ending to this.

 

There is a reason that wars are supposed to end with negotiated agreements, not with unilateral declarations like this.

 

We can end this before update and very easily, if there is any will to do it.

 

Unfortunately it seems that our opponents prefer to openly talk about EZI instead.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Sigrun Vapneir

[Jack Layton]

So if I am understanding this correctly, which I normally do the coalition could not extract from Methrage the words it designated as needed to successfully conclude this war.

Almost all of the other side has already surrendered. Methrage himself indicated a willingness to surrender if all other parties agreed (and most parties did agree). For all the bluster on that side, even being willing to surrender under any circumstances contradicts their own rhetoric of not surrendering to "bullies". Only Sigrun held to the rhetoric. Stupid, but at least the tenacity is admirable on some level. We're not really concerned with Sigrun, though. We're not the main alliance fighting it nor did we really have any beef with it in the first place, other than it having its head lodged so firmly up its ass it can't see daylight. In fact, it was Sigrun's friends who wanted Sigrun out of the war more than we did.

Methrage is a different story. It's as if a drooling moron were getting a beat down from a UFC fighter and when the UFC fighter decides the other side has had enough because they're completely unable to fight back, that drooling moron says "Hey look, I won because I didn't tap out!". No, you lost because you're now paraplegic. If these so-called "victory conditions" are self-imposed, logically speaking, they can be self-modified if we were ever inclined to do it. If Methrage can say they'll only accept white peace and then be willing to negotiate a surrender under certain conditions (violating his own self-imposed conditions), I don't see why Kashmir can't acknowledge the reality that LN is incapable of being a threat to Kashmir because we beat them down, can safely declare that we won, and will be stopping combat operations unless attacked. At this point, wasting any amount of resources on this conflict just to extract one petty word out of him is a strategic blunder. We've more than proved our point and there are no circumstances where LN can militarily defeat any of the alliances in this coalition. 

 

Declaration of victory? Jesus no, open up the war to mercs, rogues and anyone else who wants a swing. The planet needs it, its dying and you all are contributing to it by following antiquated practices that really are only helping to expedite the games demise.

Filth, every god dam one of you. 

 

This decision was not mine. Although I felt compelled to continue the fight, I recognize the strategic value in recognizing the obvious that the enemy can't fight back. But if you felt this strongly about this conflict, you could have easily been pouring in aid and support for those nations like mine who were in the trenches fighting it out. How many mercenaries and rogues did you contact? How much aid did you send after being a gigantic baby on the Kashmir forums? Instead you still occupy our AA even though we're all a bunch of dirty bags and filth and are "expediting the game's demise". Why would you want to keep such company? You have such disdain for Methrage and Sigrun that you call them "filthy stinking cancers", yet even while still occupying our AA after your tantrum did nothing to help us eradicate it. You had nothing but crap to say about us, yet you don't leave. So if you want to speak of hypocrisy, do it realizing that you're the king of it.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Jack Layton

[Lady Dakota]

 

Couldnt run to FAN fast enough eh? Well you're due several nukes hopefully it will lead to a melt down and deletion of your nation. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 

 Oh darling why so salty? What have I done to hurt your delicate sensibilities? No meltdown here darling, I am afraid. Just a good old fashioned eye roll.

 

As for FAN, I felt it was the right time. I had always wanted to apply there in the past, but I was busy behaving for a good three years and stayed put.

[The Zigur]

 

 

We generously, at the urging of our allies, took it as an acceptance of our white peace offer, in good faith.  That has been proven a mistake. The attacks against Methrage did not cease - deliberately provocative violations of the peace.  One tiny non-nuclear nation on our side didnt get the memo and accidentally did and suddenly Kashmir is vowing eternal war again.

 

*Nations already fighting Methrage continue to fight until wars expire: OMG peace agreement broken

*Nicholei engages new offensive wars after the agreement: tiny mistake

 

Sigrun pls.

[Jack Layton]

We generously, at the urging of our allies, took it as an acceptance of our white peace offer, in good faith.  That has been proven a mistake. The attacks against Methrage did not cease - deliberately provocative violations of the peace.  One tiny non-nuclear nation on our side didnt get the memo and accidentally did and suddenly Kashmir is vowing eternal war again.

 

We have not carried out any attacks against those Stripes nations. Instead we have been engaged all day corresponding with those on the other side and those in #cnkashmir attempting to get a real ending to this.

 

There is a reason that wars are supposed to end with negotiated agreements, not with unilateral declarations like this.

 

We can end this before update and very easily, if there is any will to do it.

 

Unfortunately it seems that our opponents prefer to openly talk about EZI instead.

 

9/26: Methrage says "K, so no new declarations & current wars run their course. Sounds good to me.", thereby agreeing that any existing wars run their course and there will be no new declarations.

 

9/28: Nicholai declares on two NSO nations and one Kashmiri, thereby violating our agreed position with Methrage of no new declarations and current wars run their course. Methrage tries to handwave this blatant violation away by saying it's not significant and that Nicholai didn't know (which is bull as we know Nicholai is Methrage's multi and it's not as if LN is a large alliance anyways that it would be difficult to spread word around).

 

9/29: Nicholai declares war on another Kashmiri nation. Sigrun says that Kashmir is violating Methrage's agreement to let existing wars run their course and no new declarations, despite the fact that Kashmir has not declared any new wars on LN and LN has declared four new wars on NSO/Kashmir. Then has the gall to tell us that their side is ready to peace out, as if LN even has any bargaining power to negotiate anything with us.

 

It doesn't get much clearer than that, Sigrun. Timestamps are a beautiful thing.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Jack Layton

[Keelah]

As a reminder discussing of moderation issues, such as multis, is a violation of the forum rules unless it's reporting them in the moderation forum.

 

If you feel someone is cheating with multis, that is where you report it.

[King Conrad]

I find the allegation of getting SW out of range before resuming hostilities to be quite laughable from someone sitting at 40K NS, but only 1K infra, with billions in the bank. You could easily build up to hit any one of us. But the fact is that no one resumed hostilities but your side. The 'Five Star General' who apparently doesn't get memos about wars being over is the one to get pissy with. Methrage agreed to let current wars run their course two days before Nicholai launched new attacks.

 

Allow me to repeat that for the imbeciles from the Clown Car Coalition who apparently can't read: TWO DAYS

[Stonewall14]

I find the allegation of getting SW out of range before resuming hostilities to be quite laughable from someone sitting at 40K NS, but only 1K infra, with billions in the bank. You could easily build up to hit any one of us. But the fact is that no one resumed hostilities but your side. The 'Five Star General' who apparently doesn't get memos about wars being over is the one to get pissy with. Methrage agreed to let current wars run their course two days before Nicholai launched new attacks.

 

Allow me to repeat that for the imbeciles from the Clown Car Coalition who apparently can't read: TWO DAYS

 

"Some men aren't looking for anything logical.
They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.
Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred, Bruce Wayne's Butler

 

I think it is all this and Meth's convinced himself and his little brother and Ally to save the game by continuing his campaign of lies and deceptions never truly wanting or agreeing to peace... :ph34r:

[Jack Layton]

Sorry for being a Methrage, Keelah. I admonish myself for leveling such accusations against Methrage's "brother"  ;) .

[Stonewall14]

Sorry for being a Methrage, Keelah. I admonish myself for leveling such accusations against Methrage's "brother"  ;) .

By comparing our sigs it's obvious to me drastic measures are needed to keep my lead in Stats...Peace Upon Me does not sit well with the denizens of Dixie Cove, who have known war as a way of life since it's creation in CWII that spawned our nation...The time for Chit Chat is Over IMO...FTR DS considers all it's Os to be as Ms as our history proves and I am entrusted with holding this great honor of carrying on our tradition and will not falter in my resolve to do so! :war: :nuke:

[Jack Layton]

You still have me beat for casualties haha. Where is Sir Kindle to show us how many wars he's fought?

Edited September 30, 2015 by Jack Layton

[SirWilliam]

More like NG/NoR got Kashmir

 

Going to stop you right there and point out the obvious: You're more delusional than Methrage and Sigrun combined if NG and/or NoR think your alliances had even the slightest to do with anything Kashmir has done.

[gowfanatic]

In Sigrun's defence, he did spend ONE round up here at 120k NS. Mind you, by the end of the round, we had already helped with the selling down ;)

[Stonewall14]

You still have me beat for casualties haha. Where is Sir Kindle to show us how many wars he's fought?

Does it even pick up such tiny skirmishes of the tiny mite tier? 777 days old with 2 wonders and less than 20 infra and tech is not a position to be desired... :blink:

Edit in "That's not how any of this works"

Edited September 30, 2015 by Stonewall14

[Duderonomy]

 

Going to stop you right there and point out the obvious: You're more delusional than Methrage and Sigrun combined if NG and/or NoR think your alliances had even the slightest to do with anything Kashmir has done.

Spin it however you want. I'm not overly concerned with Kashmir one way or the other, besides the current support of DoomSphere.

 

We'll just say it was surrender only, and then NoR talked about their concerns over CA with NG, and then there was white peace. I'll keep my pencil far away from the dots. They're dangerous things. Methrage has figured that out. :v:

[Xanth]

Good riddance to LD. Can't fight a single round you have no place in my alliance.

 

Meth, you said in this thread you agreed to the op. Shows where you and your side truly stand on peace, again. 

 

I don't even care anymore. Stripes will not issue you ass hats a white peace offer again. You've had your chance. Your agreement then subsequent revocation of peace makes you rogues in my book and you will be dealt with as such from here on out. 

[Master Hakai]

Spin it however you want. I'm not overly concerned with Kashmir one way or the other, besides the current support of DoomSphere.
 
We'll just say it was surrender only, and then NoR talked about their concerns over CA with NG, and then there was white peace. I'll keep my pencil far away from the dots. They're dangerous things. Methrage has figured that out. :v:

Get a load of this guy, fellas!

[Lady Dakota]

Good riddance to LD. Can't fight a single round you have no place in my alliance.

 

Meth, you said in this thread you agreed to the op. Shows where you and your side truly stand on peace, again. 

 

I don't even care anymore. Stripes will not issue you ass hats a white peace offer again. You've had your chance. Your agreement then subsequent revocation of peace makes you rogues in my book and you will be dealt with as such from here on out. 

If you'd use your noggin you'd figure out why I did what I did. Silly Xanth.

[SirWilliam]

Spin it however you want. I'm not overly concerned with Kashmir one way or the other, besides the current support of DoomSphere.

 

We'll just say it was surrender only, and then NoR talked about their concerns over CA with NG, and then there was white peace. I'll keep my pencil far away from the dots. They're dangerous things. Methrage has figured that out. :v:

 

The extent of my interactions with NG this war as it pertains to peace:

 

Sun Sep 06 23:40:50 2015
[23:40] <NG member> also, since margrave never gets on we should probably chat about the whole methrage nonsense
Sat Sep 26 23:51:58 2015
[23:51] <NG member> yo
[23:52] <NG member> so for real
[23:52] <NG member> are you guys gonna let this whole shitshow just end

 

The extent of my interactions with NoR this war as it pertains to peace:

 

:crickets:

 

Either you're just fucking with me or you're that far out of the loop but pressure from your alliances has been all but nonexistent. Credit only where credit is due, I'm sure you can understand.

[Master Hakai]

I'm loving the fan theories though for real