Duderonomy Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not really. NSO are at war with us until Kashmir is done (Still getting nuked by them) & I didn't post an internal announcement telling my members not to declare new wars until after he had declared those. So, you had time to post in this thread (9/26) showing that you acknowledged the peace, and you didn't have time to post an internal announcement about it until more than two days later (the war started 9/28)? Methrage, I doubt there'll be a second chance. There's only one nation (possibly two) that NoR really wants out of the war, neither in LN. If you thought people were negotiating on YOUR behalf, you are sorely mistaken. I recommend you wrap things up quickly. I'm sure an alternative peace agreement can be drawn up without you in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 So, you had time to post in this thread (9/26) showing that you acknowledged the peace, and you didn't have time to post an internal announcement about it until more than two days later (the war started 9/28)? Methrage, I doubt there'll be a second chance. There's only one nation (possibly two) that NoR really wants out of the war, neither in LN. If you thought people were negotiating on YOUR behalf, you are sorely mistaken. I recommend you wrap things up quickly. I'm sure an alternative peace agreement can be drawn up without you in it. The delay in peace is due to Jack Layton's insistance on wanting to keep launching more attacks rather than accept peace and Isaac having offered no peace (having rejected my offer to him by trying to drop a nuke on me). So we're still at war due to a few individuals who wanted to drag their feet on this. However if the wars from Nicholai are the only remaining wars going on between our sides and the nations he's fighting send peace offers; I'll tell him to peace those out early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've fought more wars in the last two months than you garbagetards have fought in ur whole cn existence. Make a lyricals.com CN stats sig and show us hot stuff! :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 The delay in peace is due to Jack Layton's insistance on wanting to keep launching more attacks rather than accept peace and Isaac having offered no peace (having rejected my offer to him by trying to drop a nuke on me). So we're still at war due to a few individuals who wanted to drag their feet on this. However if the wars from Nicholai are the only remaining wars going on between our sides and the nations he's fighting send peace offers; I'll tell him to peace those out early. The wars that started before the peace was signed don't concern me much. They can play out to their conclusion. Wars after the peace was signed show a lack of discipline and honesty on your part, as well as an abuse of your friendship with CA, and it would be prudent to peace them out ASAP. I'm not leadership, but NSO is a mutual defense NG ally, and I'm sure they could request a war extension thanks to these new wars, especially if they linger. Or maybe NSO could consider this a brand new war and request NG's assistance? Not that they need it, but it's always the thought that counts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) The wars that started before the peace was signed don't concern me much. They can play out to their conclusion. Wars after the peace was signed show a lack of discipline and honesty on your part, as well as an abuse of your friendship with CA, and it would be prudent to peace them out ASAP. I'm not leadership, but NSO is a mutual defense NG ally, and I'm sure they could request a war extension thanks to these new wars, especially if they linger. Or maybe NSO could consider this a brand new war and request NG's assistance? Not that they need it, but it's always the thought that counts... This is how Kashmir signs an agreement? "This isn't a negotiation. We have graciously and unilaterally given you peace, seeing that your are utterly wrecked, and that there is no point to continue nuking a 4k NS nation... What you do with said peace is up to you. But by all means, keep it up." I'm not sure that counts. Although I've tried peacing this out sooner, but so far their response to my statement on no new wars could be taken either way. Nicholai saw wars still ongoing and I didn't post an agreement on how this was ending right away since Kashmir did not give a clear response when I mentioned the no new wars thing. So I wasn't sure if I was going to get hit by more nations immediately after posting that. Until the wars expire without fresh wars I'm still not sure. Also NSO attacked CA before LN in this war and the war is still not done, so I'm not sure why suddenly you're threatening to get NG involved a war NSO started against another of your allies. SW says one thing, those I'm fighting do another. Until the wars are cleared out, its still the same war. Edited September 28, 2015 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 This is how Kashmir signs an agreement? "This isn't a negotiation. We have graciously and unilaterally given you peace, seeing that your are utterly wrecked, and that there is no point to continue nuking a 4k NS nation... What you do with said peace is up to you. But by all means, keep it up." I'm not sure that counts. So you don't recognize this peace as legitimate? I'm sure NSO, et al are happy to hear that. Sigrun, you've got a fine friend here. Really loyal and happy to abuse your political ties for his own pride. I ask that you keep the peace while letting him spurn the gift you were given. Also for the belligerents, please hands off our stuff. That would be CA specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 So you don't recognize this peace as legitimate? I'm sure NSO, et al are happy to hear that. Sigrun, you've got a fine friend here. Really loyal and happy to abuse your political ties for his own pride. I ask that you keep the peace while letting him spurn the gift you were given. Also for the belligerents, please hands off our stuff. That would be CA specifically. Last I spoke with Joe Stupid he said the war was continuing for as long as we are at war with Kashmir and Layton still hasn't peaced out. You seem to want to provoke this into escalating into another phase or something, but I'm not sure why you would want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Last I spoke with Joe Stupid he said the war was continuing for as long as we are at war with Kashmir and Layton still hasn't peaced out. You seem to want to provoke this into escalating into another phase or something, but I'm not sure why you would want to. I wasn't involved in the peace negotiations, but I have friends that stuck their necks out for your side. Abusing that makes me grumpy. Let's see, last NSO war declared 9/8. Last LN war declared 9/28, two days after the peace agreement. Easy as checking the warscreens. If someone from NSO posts saying they're fine with letting the wars expire, okay, but I'd be fine with them continuing the war with you. You aren't going to obfuscate your way into me thinking you are doing anything except tearing up a negotiated agreement. If NoR/NG leadership seek peace for you again, they're far more merciful than I would be. Edited September 28, 2015 by Duderonomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I wasn't involved in the peace negotiations, but I have friends that stuck their necks out for your side. Abusing that makes me grumpy. Let's see, last NSO war declared 9/8. Last LN war declared 9/28, two days after the peace agreement. Easy as checking the warscreens. If someone from NSO posts saying they're fine with letting the wars expire, okay, but I'd be fine with them continuing the war with you. You aren't going to obfuscate your way into me thinking you are doing anything except tearing up a negotiated agreement. If NoR/NG leadership seek peace for you again, they're far more merciful than I would be. Same thing happened when I was there, Nicholai, Meth's "little brother" was plotting a sneak attack as soon as our war was over and peace agreed upon by Goons...One of the many reasons I left after being assured peace was coming hours away... :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I wasn't involved in the peace negotiations, but I have friends that stuck their necks out for your side. Abusing that makes me grumpy. Let's see, last NSO war declared 9/8. Last LN war declared 9/28, two days after the peace agreement. Easy as checking the warscreens. If someone from NSO posts saying they're fine with letting the wars expire, okay, but I'd be fine with them continuing the war with you. You aren't going to obfuscate your way into me thinking you are doing anything except tearing up a negotiated agreement. If NoR/NG leadership seek peace for you again, they're far more merciful than I would be. Their peace "agreement" consisted of everyone at war with me continuing to attack me, so its not as clear cut as you try to make it sound. If the other side was a little more organized in their offer for peace, rather than some on their side just continuing to attack as if peace was never offered; this would be more smooth. Instead I'm having to read their actions on whether paace is going into effect. You can blow out of proportion one small nation declaring some wars who hadn't heard about this disorganized peace offer, but I'm working on bringing this to a close. Edited September 28, 2015 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 :facepalm: What in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like the peace got violated. Limitless Nexus [Alliance Heir] Five Star General Someone with his alliance rank you'd assume he was in the loop, I guess not. It's not ssurprising Nicoli would violate peace. He's a real richard. I have no doubt, his nation bio is quite the treat. Xanth and Jack Layton are priority targets for attacking LSA and reporting allies for offensive comments. Xanth needs help, he's lost all hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Their peace "agreement" consisted of everyone at war with me continuing to attack me, so its not as clear cut as you try to make it sound. If the other side was a little more organized in their offer for peace, rather than some on their side just continuing to attack as if peace was never offered; this would be more smooth. Instead I'm having to read their actions on whether paace is going into effect. You can blow out of proportion one small nation declaring some wars who hadn't heard about this disorganized peace offer, but I'm working on bringing this to a close. Step 1: New Sith Order declares offensive war on LN 9/8 Step 2: Last offensive war declared on LN by Kashmir is 9/22 and expires 9/30 Step 3: Peace declared 9/24, existing wars to continue to expiration Step 4: Methrage posts in thread acknowledging peace 9/26 Step 5: LN declares war on New Sith Order, a Non Grata ally 9/28 Step 5: ? Step 6: Profit! Doesn't get much clearer than that. Offensive wars declared after peace is reached are not a result "of confusion". They are clear violations of the peace agreement. It's typical for wars declared before peace to continue to expiration. Hope you get staggered! Edited September 28, 2015 by Duderonomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I probably should of just ignored this thread so my words couldn't be twisted around (as I was advised), but if the other side is serious about peace there will be peace. Otherwise this thread is a waste of time anyways, but this peace offer didn't effect any of my wars. I'm still fighting & dealing with repeat invaders. Either this thread was just a PR stunt or the war will be over soon. After months of war, a few days of attacks as the peace deal gets fully implemented won't have an effect. Edit: Because of those who declared on me wanting to keep fighting after the peace offer, peace can't even fully go into effect until the 30th at the earliest regardless. So the reason I didn't announce the peace offer right away to Limitless Nexus was the wait & see approach to being offered peace. Edited September 28, 2015 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanth Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 So tldr; We give white peace, meth claims victory, ln keeps declaring wars and defending them as justified attacks. IMHO the original white peace as stated in the op should be voided ASAP and this war should continue on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I probably should of just ignored this thread so my words couldn't be twisted around (as I was advised), but if the other side is serious about peace there will be peace. Otherwise this thread is a waste of time anyways, but this peace offer didn't effect any of my wars. I'm still fighting & dealing with repeat invaders. Either this thread was just a PR stunt or the war will be over soon. After months of war, a few days of attacks as the peace deal gets fully implemented won't have an effect. Edit: Because of those who declared on me wanting to keep fighting after the peace offer, peace can't even fully go into effect until the 30th at the earliest regardless. So the reason I didn't announce the peace offer right away to Limitless Nexus was the wait & see approach to being offered peace. Typically when peace is declared here, that means that the war is over and no fresh wars get declared. As the New Sith Order was acknowledged as a signatory to the peace terms as well as Limitless Nexus, there is a violation of these terms by Nicholai. Typically what an alliance leader would do would be to announce that Nicholai is fair game for wars for a round and then make sure that there is an internal announcement demanding no further attacks. If you do support Nicholai in this, I guess New Sith Order (as well as anyone else on their side) would be free to consider this a violation of the peace terms, and thus war could start again at least for Limitless Nexus. The difference now is that New Sith Order could claim this as a defensive war and call in people like Non Grata (and Sigrun would be free to move on because she did not violate any of the accords). Although, I sense that the best way to resolve this would probably be eject Nicholai and then announce that you recognize the peace terms with no further wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Best case scenario would've been for Methrage to put down the shovel, say "Sorry, we'll peace out the new wars" and reps be arranged between NG and NSO. It's possible that NG would pay them ourselves rather than go to the hassle of dragging LN into it. Hell, I could pay for it easily. Instead, the boy just keeps shoveling himself into a deeper hole. I'm assuming these attacks will continue unabated. Edited September 29, 2015 by Duderonomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Best case scenario would've been for Methrage to put down the shovel, say "Sorry, we'll peace out the new wars" and reps be arranged between NG and NSO. It's possible that NG would pay them ourselves rather than go to the hassle of dragging LN into it. Hell, I could pay for it easily. Instead, the boy just keeps shoveling himself into a deeper hole. I'm assuming these attacks will continue unabated. The thing is he isn't qualified enough to carry a shovel... Edited September 29, 2015 by Franz Ferdinand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I find it funny that even with this nonsense, people try to talk sense to Methhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I find it funny that even with this nonsense, people try to talk sense to Methhead. Nothing else is happening in this world it seems, might as well do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 We were trying to be nice by putting an end to the beatings. Some people don't learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Best case scenario would've been for Methrage to put down the shovel, say "Sorry, we'll peace out the new wars" and reps be arranged between NG and NSO. It's possible that NG would pay them ourselves rather than go to the hassle of dragging LN into it. Hell, I could pay for it easily. Instead, the boy just keeps shoveling himself into a deeper hole. I'm assuming these attacks will continue unabated. Peace offers have already been sent, so I'm not sure what the fuss is over even. (Before anyone even brought it up (9/28/2015 8:58:36 AM)) I still haven't gotten a single peace offer from one of the TCA nations hitting me despite the offer of peace from SW. So people are just trying to find something to argue about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) There should be severe punishment for this transgression. Still waiting for Sir Kindle to measure up against Jack Layton. Easy way to back up his claims, but he's too afraid to do it. Edited September 29, 2015 by Jack Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) There should be severe punishment for this transgression. Severe punishment towards you for nuking after the "peace agreement" & dragging this out, if anyone needs punishing. :P However if you send a peace offer before update, I'll accept it without attacking and we can cut a day off the war. If you wait until update I have to assume you plan to do another round of attacks before peace. Edited September 29, 2015 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I already told you that it is my utter delight to nuke the crap out of you. Why do you keep begging me for peace? You won't get it that easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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