rileyaddaff Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I love when peace threads don't actually contain peace for the parties involved. Its kinda like a ghost DoW with no one following you up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Quit believing the echo chamber in here. The facts are quite different. Get on IRC or send me a PM. Look at the OP. Not an agreement. No terms at all, no signatures. Not ours, not theirs. This was never an agreement. It was a gambit from their side. They used it to get Sir William out of range before resuming hostilities. We generously, at the urging of our allies, took it as an acceptance of our white peace offer, in good faith. That has been proven a mistake. The attacks against Methrage did not cease - deliberately provocative violations of the peace. One tiny non-nuclear nation on our side didnt get the memo and accidentally did and suddenly Kashmir is vowing eternal war again. We have not carried out any attacks against those Stripes nations. Instead we have been engaged all day corresponding with those on the other side and those in #cnkashmir attempting to get a real ending to this. There is a reason that wars are supposed to end with negotiated agreements, not with unilateral declarations like this. We can end this before update and very easily, if there is any will to do it. Unfortunately it seems that our opponents prefer to openly talk about EZI instead. The fact is that you declared two aggressive wars against Stripes after peace was declared. The fact is that you aided someone who less than 24 hours later declared new wars on Kashmir and NSO, and rather than condemn their actions, here you are following them into battle again--against an alliance that was not even involved in the continuing action. Rather than trying deescalating the situation, you further escalate it. Not Stripes, not anyone else but you. Get off your high horse. You haven't earned that seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 The fact is that you declared two aggressive wars against Stripes after peace was declared. The fact is that you aided someone who less than 24 hours later declared new wars on Kashmir and NSO, and rather than condemn their actions, here you are following them into battle again--against an alliance that was not even involved in the continuing action. Rather than trying deescalating the situation, you further escalate it. Not Stripes, not anyone else but you. Get off your high horse. You haven't earned that seat. A whole lot of this...well said brother! This is a totally different and new war and it is my allies defending themselves against rogues and nothing else... :war: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 The fact is that you declared two aggressive wars against Stripes after peace was declared. The fact is that you aided someone who less than 24 hours later declared new wars on Kashmir and NSO, and rather than condemn their actions, here you are following them into battle again--against an alliance that was not even involved in the continuing action. Rather than trying deescalating the situation, you further escalate it. Not Stripes, not anyone else but you. Get off your high horse. You haven't earned that seat. I would like to take this opportunity to wish the best of luck to FAN in their new struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Conrad Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not that they need luck, but I hope they have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) If you'd use your noggin you'd figure out why I did what I did. Silly Xanth.Hiding. Peacemode. Rogue senator. Alliance hopping. Attention whoring. Eternal declaration of war against Methrage which amounted to nothing but fan fare. People who use their noggin know you're more worthless than a meat shield. Edited September 30, 2015 by the rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) SirWilliam, I'm not sure what the inconsequential chest-thumping is about, but I don't really care. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is apathy. Enjoy. Edit: I actually read your post this time, and I was a little harsh. Jettisoning the whole surrender nonsense is a credit to your intelligence. Too bad Methrage can't match it. Still plan on ignoring this conflict again. Edited September 30, 2015 by Duderonomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dakota Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Hiding. Peacemode. Rogue senator. Alliance hopping. Attention whoring. Eternal declaration of war against Methrage which amounted to nothing but fan fare. People who use their noggin know you're more worthless than a meat shield. Considering my lack of activity in this game that should clue everyone in on the fact that I've been busy and thus no time for CN. I didn't even know the damn war was over until Xanth sent me a message yesterday. In fact, I've been attempting to join FAN since July and didn't even get an application in until the beginning of this month. That's how busy I am. You can call it whatever you like, I call it priorities and Planet Bob is not always one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanth Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I call refusing attack orders for 6 months yet coming out of pm within hours of a message about peace more of an act of a coward than "no time for cn". You came directly out of peace mode then offered to start aiding and no hint of leaving was made until sigrun attacked you. Hell you didn't even tell me you left when you messaged me that sigrun attacked. You surrendered to an aggressive enemy and left the aa. Don't leave a protected alliance as you are now on the str war defector zi list. STR went to bat to protect you and at the first sign that you'd have to do some heave lifting you tucked tail and ran. Jesus your just as bad as sigrun and meth with your revisionist history. You will now join them both on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena of Amphipolis Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 A brief timeout here to remind people that 'out of character' posts or comments in an 'in character' area are not permitted. Some of you could use a refresher on the forums rules, some of you should probably read them for the first time. Consider this a friendly reminder and a very gentle verbal warning to everyone. The next time you hear from me it will be because you could not take a hint and warns will be issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 SirWilliam, I'm not sure what the inconsequential chest-thumping is about, but I don't really care. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is apathy. Enjoy. Edit: I actually read your post this time, and I was a little harsh. Jettisoning the whole surrender nonsense is a credit to your intelligence. Too bad Methrage can't match it. Still plan on ignoring this conflict again. Chest-thumping wasn't my intent, and for that matter I was probably a little harsh with my initial response as well. Just took umbrage but I've said my piece and it's done with. Not that I'm surprised but I'm not entirely certain how the Methheads bungled the one thing they were seeking all along: The closest to white peace they'd get. Major combat operations may have ended but the insurgency continues. No sweat off our backs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 And at risk of bandwagoning here: Lady Dakota, you are a coward. You're not worth a fraction of your NS, especially in an otherwise reputable alliance like FAN. The very definition of deadweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 in before pounds of flesh are taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) This whole thing is stupid, honestly, one of the more stupid things I have seen or been a part of in this world. That's saying a lot, because I was in CSN when Liz and Goose asked for reps from DT and I was in NPL when my good friend Wally was inviting GOONs raid victims to the AA. Hell, I even made one of the more stupid drunkin statements of the whole mess. That said, never before have I seen two people so sure of their own righteousness that they have become delusional. As far as I am concerned, any attacks that occured on the AAs who granted clemency with the OP are prime examples of roguery. The greatest irony I find in this whole thing, other than LN/CA claiming they are defending themselves, is found here While the context found in the provided link is about raiding, the rogue nations involved in this particular discussion are clearly condemning the tactics they themselves are embracing in their current rogue action, and in the actions they have undertaken for the past few months. Methrage of Libertarian Empire Limitless Nexus Tasker74 of Thebigharbour Stripes Expired 6/20/2015 7:23:33 AM 2015-06-27 A general dispute Methrage of Libertarian Empire Limitless Nexus justtrentjohnson of Logania Screaming Red Asses Expired 6/20/2015 7:23:23 AM 2015-06-27 A general dispute Methrage of Libertarian Empire Limitless Nexus Potato Chip of Tornado Stripes Expired 6/20/2015 7:23:18 AM 2015-06-27 A g "Oh Irony, you fickle !@#$%*..," Edit: C/P need to be reformatted for ease of reading. Edited September 30, 2015 by smurthwaite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 9/24: Kashmir and allies declare victory and an end to combat operations. 9/26: Methrage agrees to fight out existing wars to expiry with no new declarations (conventional practice in ending CN wars). 9/28: LN violates the agreement by declaring on two NSO nations and one Kashmir nation. 9/29 (just after reset): LN declares a fourth new war against Kashmir. 9/29 (mid-afternoon): CA declares two new wars on Stripes. At this point, they have violated the agreement six times with six new war declarations. 9/29 (late night): CA violates the agreement a 7th time with another declaration on Kashmir. TCA finally retaliates against Methrage. 9/30 (just after reset): Kashmir retaliates against LN after no less than 7 new declarations of war on us and our allies. 9/30 (mid-afternoon): LN declares an 8th time against Kashmir. CA declares another war against Kashmir. At this point, they've violated the agreement 9 times. 9/30 (late night): Kashmir declares twice more against LN. Anyone can look at the war records and verify the date and time stamps. These are objective facts. They declared 7 new wars over nearly two days before there was any retaliation after agreeing to no new declarations. Now I'm not complaining about the wars themselves. I'll be glad to continue lobbing nukes at LN. But it just goes to show you how dishonest they are. They are outright filth and liars. They're saying that we're the roadblock to getting this conflict wrapped up. Kashmir and Allies: Okay, you're basically done. We declare victory and we'll end major combat operations. LN: Okay. We'll fight existing wars until expiry and no new declarations of war. Kashmir and Allies: Okay. *two days later* LN and CA: *declares 7 new wars on Kashmir and Allies* WHY ARE YOU VIOLATING THE PEACE!? You should all have your heads examined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 9/24: Kashmir and allies declare victory and an end to combat operations. 9/26: Methrage agrees to fight out existing wars to expiry with no new declarations (conventional practice in ending CN wars). 9/28: LN violates the agreement by declaring on two NSO nations and one Kashmir nation. 9/29 (just after reset): LN declares a fourth new war against Kashmir. 9/29 (mid-afternoon): CA declares two new wars on Stripes. At this point, they have violated the agreement six times with six new war declarations. 9/29 (late night): CA violates the agreement a 7th time with another declaration on Kashmir. TCA finally retaliates against Methrage. 9/30 (just after reset): Kashmir retaliates against LN after no less than 7 new declarations of war on us and our allies. 9/30 (mid-afternoon): LN declares an 8th time against Kashmir. CA declares another war against Kashmir. At this point, they've violated the agreement 9 times. 9/30 (late night): Kashmir declares twice more against LN. Anyone can look at the war records and verify the date and time stamps. These are objective facts. They declared 7 new wars over nearly two days before there was any retaliation after agreeing to no new declarations. Now I'm not complaining about the wars themselves. I'll be glad to continue lobbing nukes at LN. But it just goes to show you how dishonest they are. They are outright filth and liars. They're saying that we're the roadblock to getting this conflict wrapped up. Kashmir and Allies: Okay, you're basically done. We declare victory and we'll end major combat operations. LN: Okay. We'll fight existing wars until expiry and no new declarations of war. Kashmir and Allies: Okay. *two days later* LN and CA: *declares 7 new wars on Kashmir and Allies* WHY ARE YOU VIOLATING THE PEACE!? You should all have your heads examined. Come now you can't expect them to keep their word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Come now you can't expect them to keep their word. I have kept my word and continue to keep it. Anyone that can read can look at the OP and see there is no agreement and no signatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Question: how in the world do you guys take every victory and come out with a situation involving more adversaries. I've never seen anything like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I have kept my word and continue to keep it. Anyone that can read can look at the OP and see there is no agreement and no signatures. Why do you refuse to acknowledge Methrage stating that existing wars would be fought until expiry and no new declarations will take place? Presumably you can read, so why don't you acknowledge it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Conrad Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 K, so no new declarations & current wars run their course. Sounds good to me. I've referenced this a number of times myself, and it hasn't been acknowledged. No reason to start adhering to facts now, eh, Sigman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I have kept my word and continue to keep it. Anyone that can read can look at the OP and see there is no agreement and no signatures. Seems your coalition leader agreed something and you're all too slow to keep pace and realise it was agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 This is a lesson for would-be parents out there. Sometimes when dealing with a toddler, you'll run into a situation where you give them exactly what they want and it turns out it's not what they really wanted at all. Or they've already spent so much time crying that doing a one-eighty on their emotions is just too difficult. You can scold them, but they're toddlers. There's no point. So just shrug and laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Anyone that can read can look at the OP and see there is no agreement and no signatures. Pssst. They're referencing here where he accepts and declares victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) I have kept my word and continue to keep it. Not you, you clod. Methrage. And that's precisely why, and you can quote me on this, a formal agreement with you Methheads will never be brokered. His word has proven to be utterly meaningless. Feel free to reciprocate our previously declared unilateral peace should it, through our good graces, still stand. Assuming you're adult enough - no, human being enough - to actually spend the 5 minutes to come talk to us. Otherwise we'll leave you to your conspiracy theories (kudos on at least keeping them private this time around, although my membership probably isn't the best demographic) and handle the ongoing insurgency as we see fit. Edited October 1, 2015 by SirWilliam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Not you, you clod. Methrage. And that's precisely why, and you can quote me on this, a formal agreement with you Methheads will never be brokered. His word has proven to be utterly meaningless. Feel free to reciprocate our previously declared unilateral peace should it, through our good graces, still stand. Assuming you're adult enough - no, human being enough - to actually spend the 5 minutes to come talk to us. Otherwise we'll leave you to your conspiracy theories (kudos on at least keeping them private this time around, although my membership probably isn't the best demographic) and handle the ongoing insurgency as we see fit. Can you link to anyone on your side agreeing with my suggestion? The only response I saw to my suggestion on that was a negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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