Commander Cato Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think everyone saw this coming. Best of luck to both parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='TWP Fowler2006' date='02 February 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1265140428' post='2153699'] Sorry, but your way of thinking is quite narrow [/quote] So you would rather be entangled within the treaty web, rather than having 5, 6, 7, even 10 alliances that each and every single alliance could call a friend, know where they stand, know what page they're on, etc. etc.? Maybe your attitude explains a lot about your alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Metternich Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='astronaut jones' date='02 February 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1265142184' post='2153751'] So you would rather be entangled within the treaty web, rather than having 5, 6, 7, even 10 alliances that each and every single alliance could call a friend, know where they stand, know what page they're on, etc. etc.? Maybe your attitude explains a lot about your alliance. [/quote] We'd rather not have 'allies' that would entangle us in a treaty web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='zoskia' date='02 February 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1265139603' post='2153677'] As for GOD, our obvious intention is to find a way to get white peace for an important ally of us, the NSO. We actually have no interest in destroying GOD, nor we are looking forward to "win" the war... we simply wanna finish it as soon as possible, both for us and the NSO. [/quote] With all due respect, I don't believe you ever intended to "win the war". [quote] We didn't choose the "sides" of this war... and we are trying to help one of the "sides" to win. Take it for granted that if the war finished right now Polaris would be happier. [/quote] It was well within your power at the time to choose the sides and to carry the war on to a successful conclusion. It honestly doesn't give us much comfort that every second statement coming from up North is how quickly you want to end this war. Sometimes you make choices. This treaty could not stand. It was tested a number of times and it was just not possible to continue. Similarly, to believe my alliance could hold a treaty with STA given the political atmosphere last month is naive at best. It's better to face reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 First and foremost, before letting my lesser self delve into the muck of this thread, I would like to say that Rok has been as good of an ally as GOD could ever ask for and that [b]anyone[/b] being canceled on by them should take a good hard look at themselves and thinking about exactly what it is they did wrong. [quote name='trance addict' date='02 February 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1265141547' post='2153727'] Your really pushing the fact that NpO had an obligation to speak with GOD about finding peace. Here's some thoughts on that... 1) Ask the general consense of how easy it was to speak with GOD about acheiveing peace during the Karma War - particulariy the fine folks in Echelon, ask them how Diplomatic GOD was willing to be. [/quote] Right, we're so hard to get along with which [b]is why we were trying our damnedest to get white peace for NSO.[/b] Quit lying. [quote] 3) So based on the logic that Polar should have asked GOD to declare peace B4 Polar declared war on them, then going forth the new manner in which wars shall be declared on Bob will be... you hate someone so approach all your allies, and their allies, and potential allies to ensure that if you hit X alliance on X day every one will be cool with that? I mean OPSEC should be spinning in its grave at the moment. [/quote] If Polar gave the slighest bit of a crap about NSO getting peace they would have engaged in negotiations with Fark to try to get them to commit to the white peace agreement which [b]GOD had put forth of our own volition.[/b] Polar is attacking us to try to get a different alliance to give peace. This isn't about relieving pressure from NSO, either, we're at war with less than 10% of NSO's nations. AlmightySponge wants to settle an old grudge with Xiphosis and that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Famzy' date='02 February 2010 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1265142971' post='2153765'] We'd rather not have 'allies' that would entangle us in a treaty web. [/quote] And yet you do have allies that clearly entangle you in a treaty web, and you yourself willingly (or willfully) entangle yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Much respect for making the hard choices when you need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Affluenza' date='02 February 2010 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1265142088' post='2153746'] Keep trying? War in this situation should always and I mean always the last option. Now NpO's allies will now be burdened by having to go out to bat for you... Xiphosis is not going to have mercy... [/quote] To be honest, as far as I can tell, his reputation as a horrible, evil tyrant that will bleed people dry is not yet well deserved. Not to mention, it'll probably be more than one person making decisions about this front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Voytek' date='02 February 2010 - 02:55 PM' timestamp='1265140510' post='2153702'] What makes you so sure diplomacy hasn't already been tried? [/quote] I don't know what makes him so sure, but I'm so sure because none of you came to talk to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Famzy' date='02 February 2010 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1265142971' post='2153765'] We'd rather not have 'allies' that would entangle us in a treaty web. [/quote] I await your withdrawal from SF with interest. (Or more likely, someone saying that you didn't actually mean what you posted here.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgazza1992 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 This is a really sad day for RoK. One Treaty I didn't want to see cancelled. o/ Polar o/ RoK o/ Hoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 The TPF, and now this war: they have all brought a lot of reshuffling of treaties. I expect this to continue farther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 While Polar's (Grub's) recent actions have made this necessary, I echo SpiderJ and Jericoholic's sentiments. I have to say Polar has some pretty damn fine members. I wish you well in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WcaesarD Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='02 February 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1265143460' post='2153781'] I await your withdrawal from SF with interest. (Or more likely, someone saying that you didn't actually mean what you posted here.) [/quote] I think we can all agree thath that was a silly thing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empirica Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Sad to see this It could not have been an easy decision, and I know many of your members share a mutual respect for each other. May you both see happier times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='WCaesarD' date='02 February 2010 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1265143669' post='2153793'] I think we can all agree thath that was a silly thing to say. [/quote] I was thinking a much more expressive adjective myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoskia Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='KaitlinK' date='02 February 2010 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1265143662' post='2153792'] While Polar's (Grub's) recent actions have made this necessary, I echo SpiderJ and Jericoholic's sentiments. I have to say Polar has some pretty damn fine members. I wish you well in the future. [/quote] Thanks. I actually expect to see a new NpO-RoK treaty in the near future (like in a month or two... it's obviously not going to happen during this war, but I'm sure Polaris doesn't hate RoK either... and we have nothing against you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affluenza Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Mussolandia' date='02 February 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1265143453' post='2153779'] To be honest, as far as I can tell, his reputation as a horrible, evil tyrant that will bleed people dry is not yet well deserved. Not to mention, it'll probably be more than one person making decisions about this front. [/quote] iirc GOD has always been prepared for an eventual NpO attack... I also heard white peace was on the table for NSO...I think that idea will now definately be shelved entirely. Alliances that enter in "support" usually get off with white peace. I don't see why GOD would have imposed terms and stuff on NSO. Just my opinion ofcourse. Edited February 2, 2010 by Affluenza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Hoo has been a great example of the perfect ally put in a lousy position by us. We totally understand and there is no bad feeling from us over this decision at all. o/ RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Mussolandia' date='02 February 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1265143453' post='2153779'] To be honest, as far as I can tell, his reputation as a horrible, evil tyrant that will bleed people dry is not yet well deserved. Not to mention, it'll probably be more than one person making decisions about this front. [/quote] It's quite wrong I can assure you. Xi is a fairly easy person to understand so long as you keep one thing in mind. If you screw with a friend of his, he punches you in the face...hard...with a brick...multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarle Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I'm actually glad to see this... though won't elaborate further than that. Good luck, Rok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Hoo, all that needed to be said was said privately, however, I will publicly state you are indeed a stand-up guy and I understand your decision and support it. o/ RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankees Empire Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Can't say I blame you. o/ RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 As one of those primarily responsible for this treaty, I am quite naturally a bit disappointed that it was terminated, but also understand completely why it was necessary to do so and hope that one day both parties re-discover The Undiscovered Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 good luck to both parties in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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