Hyperion321 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) while MK is big they also have more influence than any other alliance at this point. I don't know. TOP is up there in terms of influence. Polar as well (not sure who influences who, between Polar and MK). I'm not sure how much "influence" Sparta has with all of our friends, treatied and non-treatied alike, but we certainly maintain contact with tons of alliances from nearly ever corner of the web and consider most of them good friends. If you characterize that as influence, than I guess you could count Sparta up there too. edit: not saying your wrong, as I don't know how much political power MK really has, I'm just throwing out a few other pretty central alliances. Edited December 9, 2009 by Hyperion321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Politically I would say either GOD, Umbrella or STA. Militairy of course Aircastle but also MK and FAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Hmm. I think naming alliances like TOP and NpO isn't really in the spirit of the OP. We have to look at smallish (well, non-sanctioned) alliances who punch above their weight. I would possibly pick Athens- they aren't massive- but everyone knows who they are. The NSO and STA are both well known and have more influence than many alliances who are larger than them. I would also say the NPO. In their weakened state they have a very low NS- but they still command a great deal of respect. IAA are also pretty well respected and have a good deal more power than their size would indicate. Edited December 9, 2009 by jamesdanaher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Politically: NSO (When we speak, you listen) Militarily: FAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgazza1992 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Politically: NSO (When we speak, you listen) ...or we fall asleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Wait there is some Aircastle Alliance now? I thought people was talking about one of those LUE false-flag things from GW3 or so when they said Aircastle, but maybe I was thinking of some other name for that? (no, not that LiquidRage thing...) Well put my vote on Umbrella for the Black Power feeling. How can you not like Lady Gaga? So that is what you have? I wondered why I had it Ad-Blocked but I was too scared to see if you had changed to some thing tolerable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) I'm baffled as to why Aircastle, an alliance who have never done anything militarily could be considered so high. Sure they have Impressive stats but most of the alliance have less than 1000 casualties. Edited December 9, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm baffled as to why Aircastle, an alliance who have never done anything militarily could be considered so high. Sure they have Impressive stats but most of the alliance have less than 1000 casualties. I forgot casualties = military proficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinite Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Militarily: Umbrella Politically: STA. I would give it to MK, but it's hard to say they are almost twice as politically powerful as STA, and they would have to be. MK isn't that small of an alliance. Also, Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I forgot casualties = military proficiency. Fighting no wars ever does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Farkistan Random Insanity Alliance Mushroom Kingdom New Polar Order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Aircastle cannot be an acceptable answer since I've never heard of Aircastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 It's between Vanguard, STA, GOD and RIA. All relatively small alliances with big name leaders that aren't afraid to throw their weight around. All pretty efficient militarily as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar833 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 If we were to start a most overrated alliance topic i would definitely nominate Aircastle after all of this nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No alliance is more influential than any of the others. Any one alliance can start a major conflict and just as easily avoid one. You don't have to be a behemoth stat collector alliance to have influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) If we were to start a most overrated alliance topic i would definitely nominate Aircastle after all of this nonsense Yeah, stupid of us for suggesting that an alliance with only 1.5 mil NS yet 28/28 MPs, 20/28 WRCs, and (from what a few people have heard, including myself) significantly large warchests would be near the top for military power per NS. Plus look at how close their nations are to each other in NS. Edited December 9, 2009 by Drai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Yeah, stupid of us for suggesting that an alliance with only 1.5 mil NS yet 28/28 MPs, 20/28 WRCs, and (from what a few people have heard, including myself) significantly large warchests would be near the top for military power per NS. Plus look at how close their nations are to each other in NS. The idea of this topic is to discuss which alliances pull the most weight in relation to their NS in the political and military spheres of the game. The question wasnt who has most wonders but "which alliances pull most weight" an alliance that have never been tested in a war, an alliance where quite a few have zero casualties, an alliance I probably have more casualties than but ultimately an alliance with zero military pedigree cant top that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Aircastle cannot be an acceptable answer since I've never heard of Aircastle. If we were to start a most overrated alliance topic i would definitely nominate Aircastle after all of this nonsense Man ya'll just don't know! Aircastle is god, man. God. Man. Edited December 9, 2009 by Heft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) MK is a heavy weight fighter. PC has some weight to throw around. Umbrella is another pretty hefty fighter. There's also NoR, they aren't huge stat whores like other alliances, but some great military minds are over there. I'd like to think that DT is a pretty powerful alliance, we were smaller than we are now and look what we were able to do to TOOL by ourselves for the majority of that conflict during the Karma war. Although I'd rather not judge my own alliance. EDIT: Aircastle I just read above, you can't forget them. EDIT 2: Order of the Black Rose is another supreme power, yeah they don't fight much, but damn could they deal an $@! whooping. EDIT 3: Can't forget Fark. Edited December 9, 2009 by Fort Pitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Fark. You can claim to be a warmonger and all that but Fark is one group of people who would quickly teach you how to war the CORRECT way (Just ask IRON and to a lesser extent, Polar) i'd argue they have the best military..NS be damned. Likewise for FOK another very close knit bunch who to us outsiders seem like theyre just here for the lulz but if what i seen from them during Karma war then i wouldnt want to go up against them anytime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) The question wasnt who has most wonders but "which alliances pull most weight" an alliance that have never been tested in a war, an alliance where quite a few have zero casualties, an alliance I probably have more casualties than but ultimately an alliance with zero military pedigree cant top that list. The war system isn't that complicated... it doesn't take a ton of practice to figure out optimal attack strategies, and in actual fact you can probably determine those without even going to war. Because of their discipline in the way they've set up the alliance I don't doubt that they'll be a machine in war. That's why I rank them so high, if people want actual proof that's their choice. If you're saying the question is specifically asking who has pulled the most weight in the past then I can understand what you're saying, but I don't quite read it that way. Edited December 9, 2009 by Drai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Fark. You can claim to be a warmonger and all that but Fark is one group of people who would quickly teach you how to war the CORRECT way (Just ask IRON and to a lesser extent, Polar) i'd argue they have the best military..NS be damned. Likewise for FOK another very close knit bunch who to us outsiders seem like theyre just here for the lulz but if what i seen from them during Karma war then i wouldnt want to go up against them anytime soon We learned everything that needs to be learned regarding CN war system much prior to war, Thank You. Did we have a good fight with them? Yes. It would have been more epic with Gramlins jumping in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Wait there is some Aircastle Alliance now? I thought people was talking about one of those LUE false-flag things from GW3 or so when they said Aircastle, but maybe I was thinking of some other name for that? (no, not that LiquidRage thing...) That would be Air Supply. As well as FUELLED BY LIQUIDRAGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Fighting no wars ever does? It's hardly difficult. Tho I guess you could argue some make it seem so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'm going to stick with Ivan Moldavi as my answer, Pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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