Rayvon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Be careful VE, you only have 210 more people, ten times the NS, and almost 2000 more nukes than them. Those aren't good odds. You have a problem with us honouring a treaty? It's expected for Mafia to do so for UED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I, umm, what does that screenshot prove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I, umm, what does that screenshot prove? King Death lying through his teeth when he said he didn't know the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) You have a problem with us honouring a treaty? It's expected for Mafia to do so for UED If you want a war so bad (and you clearly do) you can just declare on Mafia, since they're not going to give you the satisfaction of defending their treaty partner. It's just a little unseemly to be so vocal about your desire to beat up on someone so much smaller than you. Edited December 1, 2009 by Arcturus Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I, umm, what does that screenshot prove? King Death told WF multiple times that he had no idea who this nation was, and never had spoken a word to him before. Yet, there is a screen shot of him speaking words to him before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 You guys just don't get it. That cancellation was a fake to lure WF into over-extending themselves. Mafia plans to crush them in a blistering counter-attack at next update. Then they'll prevent a compelling e-lawyer argument showing that WF acted on faulty information, making this a war of aggression; thereby negating WF's defensive treaties. Believe dat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Who cares about cancelation period anyway? MAfia has always been survialist.All they way since UJW when they hit GOONS cause thir protector GENMAY was getting rolled they side wiht ~!. i WOULDN'T COUNT ON MAFIA HELPING ued He's got a point. MAN I love it when RV's on a moonshine binge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacTalan Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) King Death lying through his teeth when he said he didn't know the guy. 1) How did that screenshot get acquired? 2) How has whoever acquired it managed to not look at King Death's nation? 3) Since when has a message screenshot actually proven anything? We all know how easy it is to fake one.. Not that I doubt the motives, I'm just surprised that WF would base a DoW almost solely on a message screenshot.. Edited December 1, 2009 by BacTalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 1) How did that screenshot get acquired?2) How has whoever acquired it managed to not look at King Death's nation? 3) Since when has a message screenshot actually proven anything? We all know how easy it is to fake one.. Not that I doubt the motives, I'm just surprised that WF would base a DoW almost solely on a message screenshot.. From DL himself, he was quite compliant when we approached him after KDII claimed ignorance of any knowledge of him or his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 From DL himself, he was quite compliant when we approached him after KDII claimed ignorance of any knowledge of him or his actions. Couldn't he have just sent that PM in advance to create the appearance of a relationship, knowing that he'd be disavowed once the attacks started? A response PM from KDII saying "Great, the plan looks solid" would be much more damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 HURF DURF UED BAD SMASH In other words have fun getting your jollies off, WF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakamitai Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Go get 'em wF! o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 1) How did that screenshot get acquired?2) How has whoever acquired it managed to not look at King Death's nation since their history was last cleared? 3) Since when has a message screenshot actually proven anything? We all know how easy it is to fake one.. Not that I doubt the motives, I'm just surprised that WF would base a DoW almost solely on a message screenshot.. Read the OP, the screen shot and the lies that could be reasonably concluded from it was just one factor of incompetence that was cited in WF's reasoning. Other examples of note would be one of the original "rogues" actually being their MoI, and their members actually listening to a random nation spamming their inbox. All three things combined force only one conclusion, that UED's incompetence was sufficiently dangerous enough to result in actual harm to another alliance. Seeing as that harm did occur, the alliance that was harmed has every right to retaliate on the alliance as a whole due to the fact that each separate issue basically encompasses all levels of the alliance itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) 1) How did that screenshot get acquired?2) How has whoever acquired it managed to not look at King Death's nation? 3) Since when has a message screenshot actually proven anything? We all know how easy it is to fake one.. Not that I doubt the motives, I'm just surprised that WF would base a DoW almost solely on a message screenshot.. Not solely, you need to read the OP, it includes other tidbits like how one of the attackers was a member of government for UED, somebody you'd really expect not to fall for the old 'random PM attack orders" trick. Edit: damn you people, stop posting faster than me, I type slow at 2 am! Edited December 1, 2009 by TypoNinja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaianna Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Couldn't he have just sent that PM in advance to create the appearance of a relationship, knowing that he'd be disavowed once the attacks started? A response PM from KDII saying "Great, the plan looks solid" would be much more damning. ..um, the shot shows King Death II sending the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) ..um, the shot shows King Death II sending the message. Woops, got that one mixed up. Thanks (ooc: That'll learn me not to play devil's advocate before bed) Edited December 1, 2009 by Prodigal Moon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtkode Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 So Mafia is obligated to defend UED due to their cancellation period. Fun. Lets just hope Elendil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Woops, got that one mixed up. Thanks No worries. It's a late night. Or an early morning - ... Or sometime during the day ... depending where you are o.O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Couldn't he have just sent that PM in advance to create the appearance of a relationship, knowing that he'd be disavowed once the attacks started? A response PM from KDII saying "Great, the plan looks solid" would be much more damning. You will notice this is FROM King Death edit screwed up tags edit 2, someone else beat me to it *Pansy shakes fist Edited December 1, 2009 by The Pansy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaianna Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Woops, got that one mixed up. Thanks (ooc: That'll learn me not to play devil's advocate before bed) No problem; everyone overlooks something at some point. Me, I missed the bit where the Mafia ended up so..well, why everyone seems to want to blow bits of it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacTalan Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Ok, I should have phrased that better: "..significant portion of the reasoning behind the DoW" or something like that. Either way, the screenshot and its implications are a major (and potentially critical, otherwise it'd just be that a UED gov member had attacked WF) part of the stated reasons for war. Edited December 1, 2009 by BacTalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 So, if the screenshot is to be believed then Mafia really doesn't have any obligation to defend UED, as this is less a DoW by WF and more a RoH. That said, I could easily be missing something, as there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around. I'm just going to take it all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbrae Noctem Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 King Death II, if you go into peace mode, the war will last longer. The ebil NPO has spoken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Defender Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) KDII has been hit and for a nation of 48k NS he only has a warchest of: [23:26] <Fireandthepassion> 30,000,000 warchest! Also Remember to Stagger! Edited December 1, 2009 by Zeta Defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 NPO aren't KDII fans, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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