Kzoppistan Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Involvement of a purple sphere alliance.+1 Scale of Outrage: 2 out of 10. Hmm, I'm not so sure about this one, pink has set a precedent. But it's pretty much an open source ranking system now... so have at it. I must retire for the evening, if it gets up to around 7 or 8 make sure there's a DoW. Astronaut Jones, as the new Prophet of Peace and Vilien, as the Master of Morality, I entrust the system to you to make sure it is fairly regulated in your eyes. Edited November 23, 2009 by Kzoppistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I'm certain that you are incorrect. It doesnt matter how sure you are, do you have anything resembling proof? Aha! I found the logs. [20:31] <Tygaland> the other alternative is for Kronos to compensate the STA for all damage done to my nation by both rogues [20:31] <Tygaland> tech, infrastrucure, cash, military losses [20:31] <Tygaland> and peace out the war slots on whitemajik [20:32] <Tygaland> after 6 or 7 nukes already plus full attacks its going to be quite a lot So now, I'm completely certain that you are wrong. Edited November 23, 2009 by Masterof9puppets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 1.) Staggering would be unnecessary, because we were fully aware that Heracles was not planning on slipping into peace mode, and we also knew that Heracles does not go back on his word. Had he not wanted to be deleted for rules violations, then he wouldn't have broken the rules. He was planning on exactly what happened.2.) The fact that they were not exposed furthers the point that you can't blame them on us. 3.) DeCaelo likes using his nukes? Dunno what to tell you, De Caelo only launched one nuke. 4.) Nope, he didn't nuke us. My apologies to you if you would have rathered more STA nations been nuked. When Heracles was deleted there were 16 nukes left in his arsenal, there wasn't exactly a shortage of them. 5. Heracles rebought infra, so your argument is invalid and without proof. 1.) Heracles actually expressed sadness to me when we were talking about his deletion. He didn't plan to be deleted, he planned to continue rogueing until he ran out of money. I have logs that prove this. 2.) It's a point I will grant you. We actually blamed you for spying away his cruise missiles, and I'd like to say that we were wrong there, as that was the Gremlins attacker. 3.) Well, good. I'm glad you agree that you guys weren't doing all you could. 4.) There would have been a great shortage had you been spying them away in the first round of wars, or had you not redeclared the second round, effectively blocking out both us, and our SDIs. 5. Can you prove that? No? Then yours is without proof as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I would like to remind everyone that this is not a discussion about who misses what version of myself, but rather the commendable actions of TOP in the prevention of war!Are you people so blood thirsty that you would want such senseless violence to take place at all times on planet bob? TOP did the right thing, and should be commended for it. My hat is off for TOP here. How dare the rest of you ruffians try and change the subject! OMG... What has CSN done to you?!?!?! I demand compensation for this outrage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hmm, I'm not so sure about this one, pink has set a precedent. But it's pretty much an open source ranking system now... so have at it.I must retire for the evening, if it gets up to around 7 or 8 make sure there's a DoW. Astronaut Jones, as the new Prophet of Peace and Vilien, as the Master of Morality, I entrust the system to you to make sure it is fairly regulated in your eyes. I will not let you, or anyone else down. I am actively monitoring the tone of the comments being tossed around, and will step in at a moment's notice to ensure that peace prevails during these tense times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I have to say, I admire Kronos' bravery in dragging this argument out into the public even after their masters in TOP bailed them out of what would have surely been a massive beating. That takes cojones. Thanks for this brilliant topic, Ragnarok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) 1.) Heracles actually expressed sadness to me when we were talking about his deletion. He didn't plan to be deleted, he planned to continue rogueing until he ran out of money. I have logs that prove this. 2.) It's a point I will grant you. We actually blamed you for spying away his cruise missiles, and I'd like to say that we were wrong there, as that was the Gremlins attacker. 3.) Well, good. I'm glad you agree that you guys weren't doing all you could. 4.) There would have been a great shortage had you been spying them away in the first round of wars, or had you not redeclared the second round, effectively blocking out both us, and our SDIs. 5. Can you prove that? No? Then yours is without proof as well. 1. He got deleted for putting an expletive in his aa affiliation on these boards, and new fair well the consequences. I'm sure he would have loved to hurt STA a bit more, but he also wanted to get out of his addiction to Cybernations. 2. Yup, because we didn't spy them. 3. Alright, agreed. He shouldn't have nuked that time. About 100 more infra of Heracles non existant nation wouldn't be there anymore. 4. Complain to the third party that spied them away, not us. 5. He admitted to rebuying infra? Thats enough proof to me, I'm not going to question Heracles' word. EDIT: Expletive, not explicit. Thanks WickedJ Edited November 23, 2009 by Masterof9puppets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hmmm, interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrux Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I have to say, I admire Kronos' bravery in dragging this argument out into the public even after their masters in TOP bailed them out of what would have surely been a massive beating. That takes cojones.Thanks for this brilliant topic, Ragnarok! comedy stand up hour must be starting. funny funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesalius Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I have to say, I admire Kronos' bravery in dragging this argument out into the public even after their masters in TOP bailed them out of what would have surely been a massive beating. That takes cojones.Thanks for this brilliant topic, Ragnarok! Right, we brought this out into public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 OMG... What has CSN done to you?!?!?! I demand compensation for this outrage! CSN has provided me, most graciously, with a home. I assure you, the realization that I was walking the wrong path was a realization I made all on my own, as any change of heart, if it is to be genuine, is one that must be made alone and without interference from the outside. I'm not sure what compensation can be provided to you, but I hope that I can help compensate you, however you wish to be compensated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Levistus Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 OMG... What has CSN done to you?!?!?! I demand compensation for this outrage! He changed his avvy too, it's disquieting. I'm not sure i can handle such change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I have to say, I admire Kronos' bravery in dragging this argument out into the public even after their masters in TOP bailed them out of what would have surely been a massive beating. That takes cojones.Thanks for this brilliant topic, Ragnarok! Ragnarok didn't authorize it..at all. Kronos didn't come forward with the details into the public first. Others did. Tygaland in particular gave a rather detailed account from his perspective. Other than that, you got everything exactly right, except the nature of the Kronos-TOP relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 1.) Staggering would be unnecessary, because we were fully aware that Heracles was not planning on slipping into peace mode, and we also knew that Heracles does not go back on his word. Had he not wanted to be deleted for rules violations, then he wouldn't have broken the rules. He was planning on exactly what happened. Unfortunately that's a long string of assumptions for any alliance to accept on anothers word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I have to say, I admire Kronos' bravery in dragging this argument out into the public even after their masters in TOP bailed them out of what would have surely been a massive beating. That takes cojones.Thanks for this brilliant topic, Ragnarok! A massive beating? I think someone needs to look again. An aggressive war on Kronos would not end well for anyone. TOP did the right thing by avoiding an unnecessary war, but they would certainly have won it had it come to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ragnarok didn't authorize it..at all. Kronos didn't come forward with the details into the public first. Others did. Tygaland in particular gave a rather detailed account from his perspective. Other than that, you got everything exactly right, except the nature of the Kronos-TOP relationship. This is a true statement. STA, Kronos and TOP were all quite content to stay in our own corners, hashing through this on our own forums and channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Unfortunately that's a long string of assumptions for any alliance to accept on anothers word. Equally unfortunately, Heracles didn't enter peace mode and rebuild up nukes and redeclare on STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Unfortunately that's a long string of assumptions for any alliance to accept on anothers word. Heracles was told before, and after, posting that leaving out the "o" would result in a rather hasty departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Bah, ignore this post Edited November 23, 2009 by Johnny Apocalypse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Levistus Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I'm not going to comment on the legitimacy of either side. While i have much more info than the average Joe Stupid, i'm also biased. However, are STA and Allies attempting to set the precedent that rogue actions are to be held as the responsibility of said rogue's forsaken Alliance? This is what i see, and this is worrisome. If you want the ability to throw around weak CB's you'll have it now. Edited November 23, 2009 by Lord Levistus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm fairly sure it was like this 1. Force White Majik to send peace to Tyga, even though he's not on your aa, or we will "review our options" (aka, declare war) 2. Force White Majik to send peace, or pay full reps. 3. Send peace to White Majik and clear the slot, and pay 600 tech. I'm certain that you are incorrect. It doesnt matter how sure you are, do you have anything resembling proof? Aha! I found the logs.[20:31] <Tygaland> the other alternative is for Kronos to compensate the STA for all damage done to my nation by both rogues [20:31] <Tygaland> tech, infrastrucure, cash, military losses [20:31] <Tygaland> and peace out the war slots on whitemajik [20:32] <Tygaland> after 6 or 7 nukes already plus full attacks its going to be quite a lot So now, I'm completely certain that you are wrong. I'm really eagerly waiting on a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 However, is STA and Allies attempting to set the precedent that rogue actions are to be held as the responsibility of said rogue's forsaken Alliance? This has happened before, and this would not be the first time it would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Equally unfortunately, Heracles didn't enter peace mode and rebuild up nukes and redeclare on STA. He was never given the chance either. I'm not saying it is what would have happened, but as an alliance leader, I would be unlikely to take the chance. I am far more interested in guarantees when it comes to negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm not going to comment on the legitimacy of either side. While i have much more info than the average Joe Stupid, i'm also biased.However, are STA and Allies attempting to set the precedent that rogue actions are to be held as the responsibility of said rogue's forsaken Alliance? This is what i see, and this is worrisome. If you want the ability to throw around weak CB's you'll have it now. No. The position of my government seems to be that alliances will be held accountable for rogue actions if they assist in those rogue actions. That is very different from what you see is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrSonny Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Aha! I found the logs.[20:31] <Tygaland> the other alternative is for Kronos to compensate the STA for all damage done to my nation by both rogues [20:31] <Tygaland> tech, infrastrucure, cash, military losses [20:31] <Tygaland> and peace out the war slots on whitemajik [20:32] <Tygaland> after 6 or 7 nukes already plus full attacks its going to be quite a lot So now, I'm completely certain that you are wrong. Lol sure looks like full reps where never asked to me. Oh wait.... Please pezstar answer puppets logs you kind of just left this one to be forgotten... Are YOU certain and sure full reps where never asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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