President Obama Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 While I was previously, on an intellectual level, aware that anyone could post anything at all and have it be eaten up by most everyone without any critical thought whatsoever, just so long as it provided new reasons to talk about how terrible the NPO is, it is still a bit alarming to see such a thing in actual practice. Then by all means refute it, if it is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 So you have proof that everything in the OP is a lie? That's not even......what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Blaming mhawk? Damn you're on missions to have no allies left aren't you? Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crushtania Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) As we see the honor of Pacifica dwindle like the light of day receding into twilight, we can only hope that this scandalous treachery of the highest order will ensure that only the just and honorable take the mantle as leaders in this game. Well Played Athens. I wish GGA the best of luck. Shameful conduct NPO. I am truly appalled. Edited May 26, 2009 by Crushtania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. Good to hear then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 So you have proof that everything in the OP is a lie? It isn't whether it is a lie or the truth, it is just sad/pathetic on so many levels that you have to question the value of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. Oh ho, the plot thickens! Tell us though, did Athens gov tell you that they were pulling terms? Oh the excitement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Then by all means refute it, if it is a lie. Yea, $%&@ logical reading skills! Are you people serious? I thought the first guy was just weird, but two in a row? Wack, man. No I know nothing about this and maybe it could all be true, but I'm not going to believe an obviously spun story just for the sake of attacking someone without giving it any thought at all. And giving it any thought at all I realize "Hey, this is obviously spun, maybe I should wait to see some sort of response to try and figure out the truth." Further, there is a difference between "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" and "this doesn't really paint an accurate picture." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJones Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm kind of disturbed by a lot of this in more ways than I could convey. Did things really get that bad? And if so, why did you refuse my help? Also, I really wasn't satisfied at all by that justification for why the removal of Scotch and KungFuHamster was legal. I would REALLY love someone to explain how you get past that needing a 2/3rds council vote to remove a Triumvir if you're removing 2/3rds of the council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) It isn't whether it is a lie or the truth, it is just sad/pathetic on so many levels that you have to question the value of it. I also get that impression a bit. Is it possible that the GGA is just doing this and overreacting in order to get onto your good side Athens? I wouldn't put it past them personally. Either that or they are really incompetent. Edited May 26, 2009 by President Obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Are you people serious? I thought the first guy was just weird, but two in a row? Wack, man. Karma Hive mind is working well I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medtech Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 o/ Londo o/ Athens I am proud to be apart of an alliance that is willing to stand behind there word to any alliance or person. Every one deserves a chance. Athens is an outstanding, courageaous, generous alliance that a vast majority,IMO, could learn alot from. GGA is being given the greatest chance to turn there alliance around and be apart of the greater good of the planet. Good Luck GGA and prove everyone wrong. You can and Will be a better alliance and grow and prosper with the rest of us on Planet Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) While I was previously, on an intellectual level, aware that anyone could post anything at all and have it be eaten up by most everyone without any critical thought whatsoever, just so long as it provided new reasons to talk about how terrible the NPO is, it is still a bit alarming to see such a thing in actual practice. Oh great elephant of critical thought and civility, if you believe in the ideals you espouse in the above quoted post, please don't hesitate to demonstrate it for us. Why don't you tell us why you believe the reactions to the OP are inappropriate (i.e. why the OP is inaccurate), instead of just insulting us for our behaviour? Edited May 26, 2009 by Sal Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. This is turning into a soap Opera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joracy Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm both shocked...and not shocked. All I know right now is that some despicable things happened, to my allies. GGA, and by GGA I mean Shane and Descepter, you have my full and unwavering support. We have had our differences, and issues with our relationship, like all relationships have, but what happened here is the kind of thing that should never happen. Good luck in righting your ship, but I'm sure you can do it. And good luck repairing the damages that have been done tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Glory Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Having had Mhawk as a protector, I know many of his faults, however I do know he is also somewhat honorable. Too honorable to make up something like this. So either he heard it from someone else, or your blaming one of the only people to stand up and fight for you when you were attacked. You took the words right out of my mouth, only your saying them a bit nicer than i would have! Well, if I'm TPF I take that note to start looking to end their participation in this war. No need to fight for that. I thought this war was BS when i finally found out what the heck was going on, Lets just say my thoughts haven't changed. TPF Forever BG. Edited May 26, 2009 by Burning Glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Mockingbird Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) It is truely fly or flop for GGA now, will they thrive as an independant alliance? Or will they slowly wither and die without the bosom of their master? Most of us already know the answer to this Edited May 26, 2009 by Tequila Mockingbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible to create a thread that even mentions GGA without it breaking twenty pages anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 It's laughable that the best GGA can hope for in a situation is for an alliance to take pity on them.Any respectable alliance would be immune to such blatant foreign meddling in their internal affairs. GGA you should try to stand on your own for once in your existence. All you have done is accepted Athens as your masters instead of NPO. Sileath, I declare you winner of this thread. GGA was like an addict without a pusher, Good luck in your new roll Athens, make sure to screen all the GGA press releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) While I was previously, on an intellectual level, aware that anyone could post anything at all and have it be eaten up by most everyone without any critical thought whatsoever, just so long as it provided new reasons to talk about how terrible the NPO is, it is still a bit alarming to see such a thing in actual practice. did you not read Moo's post where he pretty much states it is true but proceeds to blame Mhawk for the intelligence? edit: question, was supposed to be a question. Edited May 26, 2009 by Dochartaigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 The ODN recognizes the legitimate government of the Grand Global Alliance lead by Shaneprice and Descepter. We continue to wish you the best in addressing your peace obligations and dealing with these unfortunate internal issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 did you not read Moo's post where he pretty much states it is true but proceeds to blame Mhawk for the intelligence? And then you missed mhawk's post where he confirms Moo's statement. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?a...amp;pid=1558668 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Yea, $%&@ logical reading skills! Are you people serious? I thought the first guy was just weird, but two in a row? Wack, man. No I know nothing about this and maybe it could all be true, but I'm not going to believe an obviously spun story just for the sake of attacking someone without giving it any thought at all. And giving it any thought at all I realize "Hey, this is obviously spun, maybe I should wait to see some sort of response to try and figure out the truth." Further, there is a difference between "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" and "this doesn't really paint an accurate picture." Or you could employ those critical thinking skills and realize that given the NPO's 3 year track record of being lying dirtbags, and Moo-cows just throwing mhawk under the bus in this very thread, the OP, despite obvious bias (what would you expect?), is in all likelihood accurate, just as many of us have already. Or you could not bother taking a holier than thou approach and in the same breath insult us all as easily mislead fools. Edited May 26, 2009 by Sal Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. Glad to see you aren't going to let it seem like Moo was trying to pin anything on you, classy as always mhawk. As to everyone that is trying to say Moo is trying to pin this on TPF, I do not think that is what he was doing at all, He was simply saying that he got intel that was relevant to his allies and passed it along, I would expect that is exactly what mhawk expected moo to do with it and the fact that the intel was apparently faulty was no ones fault. I also agree with Heft and Grub seeing this mob mentality in action is frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Alright, that is enough. I did tell moo that last night. Now to make this all well I guess I'll have to make a thread on this issue with logs for all. I'll get it up after I've had time to read what I'm supposed to respond to. I think it was Moo saying "YOU"RE BACK IN WAR" which made it seem like desperation. Anyone saying otherwise clearly is biased and is unable to look at things clearly given the context and his approach in his efforts of conveying the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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