Orange-Flavored Baby Pact

[Crownguard]

Non Grata for hegemony 2013

[Stewie]

Non Grata for hegemony 2013

You mean we aren't already??

Dammit

[Yankees Empire]

You mean we aren't already??

Dammit

 

If you were, we would have signed a treaty with you*. Obviously.

 

*optional

Edited April 14, 2013 by Yankees Empire

[Stewie]

You mean we aren't? OS lied to me...

[bucovina]

I don't know what info you have; I've been in ODN as long as DH has existed, and we've never had plans to abandon DH.

 

Join ODN and I will vote for you for Senate. That way, you can dutifully craft our new foreign policy. 

 

Help us, Schattenmann. You're our only hope.

 

 

 

I'll vote too. So you have 2 votes!

[Facade]

I don't know what info you have; I've been in ODN as long as DH has existed, and we've never had plans to abandon DH.

 

Regardless of what you or ODN intends, many prominent members of your sphere have been claiming and/or lying for a long time that C&G intends on leaving Doomhouse.

 

It is not at all unreasonable to assume that C&G has absolutely no idea what it's doing, when half of it acts like they don't know what anyone's talking about, and the other half actively circulate rumors.  

 

C&G has the ability to take control of its own FA and not be perceived as lapdogs who flip from one dominating power to the next, so do it.

[MitchellBade]

C&G has the ability to take control of its own FA and not be perceived as lapdogs who flip from one dominating power to the next, so do it.

 

That would require some testicular fortitude this planet hasn't seen in quite some time.

[OsRavan]

The issue is we don't much care about how we are *percieved*, and there may lie the root of the problem.  We know what we want, and we are going about doing it.  Whether anyone else likes it, or is confused, or thinks poorly (or gets the wrong idea) of us really is their own buisness, isnt it?  Surely you would have less respect for an alliance who just started making moves so that the talking heads didn't percieve them as a lapdog?  Isn't doing what the (OWF) tell you to do in order to have a good image being a lapdog to the talking heads on here?

 

And some general advice: 

 

1) Be careful never to put too much stock in rumors no matter who is telling them to you or what they say.  They are called rumors for a reason.

 

2) As an outsider, be cautious in judging what people are thinking and trying to do internally.  Odds are you dont actually know.

[Hombre de Murcielago]

You're both ruining the game and should be ashamed of yourselves... or something like that.

 

 

Congrats on the treaty.  I'm glad we could finally get to this point.

[Reyas]

Polish the knob enough and you'll eventually get what you want. Kudos Os.

 

I guess if you were better at it we'd have a TOP treaty. Perhaps Os can give you a few pointers?

[Jgoods45]

just join CnG already.

 

Well, if NPO would be willing to sign the MA portion of the C&G treaty, and get to know INT a lot more and feel that the relations between themselves and the rest of C&G are on a MDAP level then sure!

 

But I seem to re-call NPO saying that are not willing to sign onto a MDAP treaty which is why they downgraded a bunch of their treaties to MDoAP a while back.

 

Regardless, would be a lot of work! 

[Schattenmann]

Help us, Schattenmann. You're our only hope.

 

 

 

I'm not the savior you're looking for, move along.  See below.

 

TBH, the day i will start worrying about my actions is when some of the people complaining in this thread start hailing me in an anouncment.  Thats my sign its times to retire and run far far far away.

 

::smirks:: Anyway, you are a good crew NPO.  And i look forward to working with you in the future

 

Well then good luck going forward; our global vision is indistinguishable in the Pepsi Challenge, and we know how you feel about it:

 

For example... I have all sorts of issues with how you, Schatt, run an alliance and what I view personally as the a-moral actions of CoJ and Schatt that are causing irreparable damage to the Planet. I'm not even just saying that for this thread. If I was being honest I actually think your world view is in large part whats wrong with Bob (and the game) and I find it grates on my nerves to even think about. I'm sure you think the same of me. We can debate that on forum or PM sometime if you like.

We had that debate you asked for, and as I pointed out, you have since hidden your half of it from history.

So what is this worldview that will destroy the world?  I shall give it to you in 2 quotes

We have a chance here to give way to choices and not just DH/DR or any other two sided combo we want to come up with.  We are talking about each sphere being its own.  SF, XX, AF, NPO, Polar, DR and on and on and on.  It is not right that it has to be only side A and side B.  . . . we have opened up that pivotal moment.  Not to repeat history, but to actually redefine a future. 

 

Cult of Justitia was founded with a specific purpose: To stoke and guard, advocate, and work toward the realization of a set of ideals: The freedom of association--that nations are not the property of alliances, nor are alliances the property of their allies.  The supremacy of sovereignty--foregoing compulsive treaties because they hinder independence of thought and action, and enable action without consequence.  The importance of identity, so that an alliance has an ideological wellspring upon which to base its internal policies, foreign policy, and actions on the world stage.  Distinctness of foreign policy so that global power remains fractured among many truly distinct bases.  We call the result of these ideas the Flat World.

What does the Flat World look like?  Robust alliances who know themselves attract and retain nations based on their intrinsic merits.  They formulate foreign policies based upon their values, and align with alliances who have compatible values.  Logically ordered by identity, these groups of alliances and blocs rally around their own distinct interests.  Unencumbered by murky, illogical treaties across conflicting interests, alliances are free to act when they should; unencumbered by carte blanche compulsive treaties, they are similarly free not to act when they should not act.

Why Justitia?  The Flat World is not a mewling pacifist or moralist vision of global security and peace.  It is "flat" because power is not gathered around a Pacifica or a Mushroom Kingdom, but distributed among competing, distinct, self-interested parties.  This situation has not existed for many decades--the existence of Pillow Fort, Superfriends, C&G, or Pandora's Box no more constituted distinct, competing bases of power during the so-called mKarma period than did the existence of One Vision, Ring Cycle, Citadel, or AZTEC did during the Pax Pacifica; and where competition existed, it came only as paranoia and then treachery set in, not as a continuous natural state of either period.  In these hegemony-dominated eras, Digiterra has been sick, and brutal.  The Flat World is, by contrast, the most Just world.  War is more common, because the wars are smaller, between only the invested parties warring over the conflicting interest.  No central power stops a war that will threaten its grip on global power.  No central power begins a war that only it can stop.  Listen carefully, this is not a sermon for only half of you, nor only for the condemned: The Flat World is the world that we all desire.

 

You are so wrapped up in your too-cool-for-school, politics-is-mean mentality that I am not surprised in the least that you have signed a treaty with NPO without even realizing that its Emperor's vision for the world is virtually the same as the CoJ's.

[Hereno]

The issue is we don't much care about how we are *percieved*, and there may lie the root of the problem.  We know what we want, and we are going about doing it.  Whether anyone else likes it, or is confused, or thinks poorly (or gets the wrong idea) of us really is their own buisness, isnt it?  Surely you would have less respect for an alliance who just started making moves so that the talking heads didn't percieve them as a lapdog?  Isn't doing what the (OWF) tell you to do in order to have a good image being a lapdog to the talking heads on here?

 

And some general advice: 

 

1) Be careful never to put too much stock in rumors no matter who is telling them to you or what they say.  They are called rumors for a reason.

 

2) As an outsider, be cautious in judging what people are thinking and trying to do internally.  [b]Odds are you dont actually know.[/b]

 

 

no guys this thread doesn't exist you don't know anything about how cng works internally omg

 

lawl.

 

PS: The "we don't care what anybody thinks" line has always been stupid and it's hilarious seeing it come from the mouth of an alliance leader.

[Chimaera]

If an alliance leader doesn't care what others think of him, he is either extraordinarily (and probably mistakenly) secure in his alliance's position or lying.

[Yankees Empire]

lawl.

 

PS: The "we don't care what anybody thinks" line has always been stupid and it's hilarious seeing it come from the mouth of an alliance leader.

 

ODN cares about what our allies think of us. We care about what people we respect think of us.

 

I don't really care what you think of us.

[Schattenmann]

If an alliance leader doesn't care what others think of him, he is either extraordinarily (and probably mistakenly) secure in his alliance's position or lying.

 

7.5% of the ODN electorate have been re-electing OsRavan for like 2 years, you are correct.

[TheListener]

ODN cares about what our allies think of us. We care about what people we respect think of us.

 

I don't really care what you think of us.

 

Never change ODN, Never change.

[Taget]

NPO has no love for Int?  What a slap in the face of CnG. :(

 

Congrats on ODN catching our Pacifica fever.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Taget

[trimm]

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA I CAN"T HEAR YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE YOU!"  is both utterly banal and a hallmark of Planet Bob.

 

I'll say again what I've said a million times before.  You don't have to sign treaties with someone to be their friend, and you don't have to sign a treaty with everyone who is your friend,  It seems like every day more and more people around here have totally forgotten that when you are making political decisions, like WHO YOU SIGN A TREATY WITH for example,  you ought to consider more things than whether or not someone is your OMGBFFFOREVER.  

 

Or you could just do what CnG does and treaty half of Bob now, and worry about the consequences later.  

 

You people drive me crazy sometimes.

[Jgoods45]

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA I CAN"T HEAR YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE YOU!"  is both utterly banal and a hallmark of Planet Bob.

 

I'll say again what I've said a million times before.  You don't have to sign treaties with someone to be their friend, and you don't have to sign a treaty with everyone who is your friend,  It seems like every day more and more people around here have totally forgotten that when you are making political decisions, like WHO YOU SIGN A TREATY WITH for example,  you ought to consider more things than whether or not someone is your OMGBFFFOREVER.  

 

Or you could just do what CnG does and treaty half of Bob now, and worry about the consequences later.  

 

You people drive me crazy sometimes.

 

Apparently your opinion does't carry much weight around these parts. Such a pity isn't it? 

Edited April 14, 2013 by Jgoods45

[nightmare448]

Congratulations to two wonderful alliances.  On second thought, this must be why Entwood is 24 days inactive.

[Schattenmann]

Apparently your opinion does't carry much weight around these parts. Such a pity isn't it? 

 

Are we to deduce from your brush-off of Trimm's point that TLR enjoyed picking between supporting NPO and supporting MK this past war?

Edited April 14, 2013 by Schattenmann

[Jgoods45]

Are we to deduce from your brush-off of Trimm's point that TLR enjoyed pickign between supporting NPO and supporting MK this past war?

 

NPO was informed well in advance of where we would be in the event of a war between DH and DR. 

[trimm]

Apparently your opinion does't carry much weight around these parts. Such a pity isn't it? 

 

Congratulations for utterly confirming the first sentence of my statement there.  Someone ought to give you a cookie.

[Jgoods45]

Congratulations for utterly confirming the first sentence of my statement there.  Someone ought to give you a cookie.

omg i love cookies. 

 

I want a box white chocolate macadamia nut cookies please!

 

On topic, Congrats!