Maverick87 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='zachart' timestamp='1317599889' post='2814244'] Maybe [/quote] Well now.. Isnt that why we are all here on this beautiful planet known as Bob. To have fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Grendel' timestamp='1317590867' post='2814100'] I think you mean a Pyrrhic Victory was won by UPN.[/quote] No, to me a Pyrrhic victory would be suggesting that NG lost and had to pay a military crippled UPN reps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachart Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Maverick87' timestamp='1317600069' post='2814248'] Well now.. Isnt that why we are all here on this beautiful planet known as Bob. To have fun? [/quote] Lol i nuked some guy, today and looked at my wars later, his nation was deleted ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1317583418' post='2813979'] UPN pays what it originally offered. UPN wins the war. I'm surprised; Congrats to UPN. [/quote] I see your point, but I wouldn't call it a "win." More like a truce, where both agree to stop fighting and do what most other alliances would have done without a war. So, both parties came to their senses. If UPN ended up not paying ANY reps, then I'd agree with you. Edited October 3, 2011 by White Chocolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Looks like a fine resolution to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireblade Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Glad to see this war end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folkvar Forkbeard Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Congratulations, NG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I don't see how people are saying UPN won anything, NG really came out ahead: 1) They went to war for their protectorate (alot of alliances have been throwing theirs to the wolves lately) 2) They offered a reasonable ending to the war after a reasonable amount of time. I mean I hate NG as much as the next guy, but give credit where credit is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 *yawns* Boring outcome. Oh well, congratulations on coming around to decent terms NG and UPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Schrodinger Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Many of our members just couldn't handle UPN's superb fighting and stats. Thus, after removing 700K+ NS, we eventually just had to abandon our goals of tranquilizing the purple menace and forfeit to their terms of 6mil. ... so then, when are we collecting that save UPN fund, guys? ...Guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Congrats to both on reaching a reasonable resolution and good luck rebuilding UPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='berbers' timestamp='1317601715' post='2814273'] I don't see how people are saying UPN won anything, NG really came out ahead: 1) They went to war for their protectorate (alot of alliances have been throwing theirs to the wolves lately) 2) They offered a reasonable ending to the war after a reasonable amount of time. I mean I hate NG as much as the next guy, but give credit where credit is due. [/quote] They managed to get the outcome they wanted, which was paying $6m in damages rather than $30m. They had to fight and hold their ground to get that outcome, but ultimately by fighting it ended with UPN paying what they felt was fair. So while I wouldn't say UPN won the war, they managed to win an outcome desirable for them. If NG continued fighting UPN one on one, NG would of taken a lot more damage than they would of been able to extract out of UPN, so its not a bad outcome for either side. I don't think these terms paint either side in a negative light or as really taking a big loss though. NG got to have a fun little war and so did UPN. Edited October 3, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkEra97 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='foxfire99' timestamp='1317591403' post='2814111'] o/ a quick end to a pointless war. [/quote] Better not let your protectorates hear you talking that way! [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1317591510' post='2814116'] Not quite. What UPN lost is replaceable. They lost infra, they did not lose their dignity. Dignity > Infra. Alliances that never show their mettle on the battlefield win what? The chance to preserve their infra? These alliances indeed then have Pyrrhic Victories; they stay intact, but lose the respect of the world. [/quote] This is assuming that they had the dignity to lose in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='DarkEra97' timestamp='1317603231' post='2814295'] This is assuming that they had the dignity to lose in the first place. [/quote] Even if an alliance has no respect beforehand, its wars like these where alliances can attempt to prove their worth and gain some respect. UPN managed to stick to the rep figure they offered rather than the one NG attempted to get them to pay after fighting NG one on one, which showed they had some fight and willpower in them at least. If UPN ordered all their nations not to use any nukes, as they agreed to whatever terms NG asked of them without attempting to fight back at all, they would looked a lot worse coming out of this than they did with this outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Wait, when did the amount of reps to be paid determine the winner of a conflict? What's the threshold? If UPN had paid 12M would they still be the winners? Come on guys, arguing that they only paid a certain amount of reps so therefore they won is !@#$@#$ ridiculous. It's all well and good to argue in favour of your friends and allies, but that kind of discourse just makes everyone dumber for having participated in it. NG won on the battlefield and then cemented that victory by extracting reparations. Not that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Goby Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 It was a fun tech raid for the lower brahs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1317603704' post='2814300'] Wait, when did the amount of reps to be paid determine the winner of a conflict? What's the threshold? If UPN had paid 12M would they still be the winners? Come on guys, arguing that they only paid a certain amount of reps so therefore they won is !@#$@#$ ridiculous. It's all well and good to argue in favour of your friends and allies, but that kind of discourse just makes everyone dumber for having participated in it. NG won on the battlefield and then cemented that victory by extracting reparations. Not that hard. [/quote] I agree NG won and could of kept UPN at war a lot longer if they wanted to, so to say UPN won against NG would be misleading. UPN just avoided paying as high of reps as NG originally asked for, which could be seen as them accomplishing something. I don't agree with anyone saying the lack of bigger reps means NG lost to UPN, if anyone is saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiar Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1317603704' post='2814300'] Wait, when did the amount of reps to be paid determine the winner of a conflict? What's the threshold? If UPN had paid 12M would they still be the winners? Come on guys, arguing that they only paid a certain amount of reps so therefore they won is !@#$@#$ ridiculous. It's all well and good to argue in favour of your friends and allies, but that kind of discourse just makes everyone dumber for having participated in it. NG won on the battlefield and then cemented that victory by extracting reparations. Not that hard. [/quote] Sure, NG won on the battlefield, but got what UPN offered them. It cost UPN, but they win some points here; they stood up for themselves. It's better than not taking the battlefield and just bending over and giving an alliance $15mil/250tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1317603704' post='2814300'] Wait, when did the amount of reps to be paid determine the winner of a conflict? What's the threshold? If UPN had paid 12M would they still be the winners? Come on guys, arguing that they only paid a certain amount of reps so therefore they won is !@#$@#$ ridiculous. It's all well and good to argue in favour of your friends and allies, but that kind of discourse just makes everyone dumber for having participated in it. NG won on the battlefield and then cemented that victory by extracting reparations. Not that hard. [/quote] The argument is that UPN paid its original offer, therefore they won. I don't agree, but hey. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick87 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Comrade Goby' timestamp='1317603836' post='2814302'] It was a fun tech raid for the lower brahs. [/quote] This, gentlemen, is what matters. Who cares about the reps or who won/lost. The lower "brahs" had fun.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TECUMSEH Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Obviously, I'm very happy this has concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Comrade Goby' timestamp='1317603836' post='2814302'] It was a fun tech raid for the lower brahs. [/quote] gobypost Don't think cessate is a word btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1317604159' post='2814308'] Sure, NG won on the battlefield, but got what UPN offered them. It cost UPN, but they win some points here; they stood up for themselves. It's better than not taking the battlefield and just bending over and giving an alliance $15mil/250tech. [/quote] Hey man, your hard-on for NSO is showing. But anyway, no UPN don't get any points at all really. Their MoD screwed up, NG approached them, UPN screwed up with their offer, NG attacked them and $%&@ed them up for a couple of days, and then decided that 30M - 800k NS = 6M, and UPN paid it. Saying that they got away with only paying what they offered ignores all that NS they just lost, NS that costs money to replace. They didn't negotiate down, they got beaten down and those doing the beating decided to let them off a bit lighter than what they had demanded pre-war. Hopefully you get what I'm saying, but then again you are Jaiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, that was quick. Congrats on peace! It looks to be a very lenient resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Blake Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1317604159' post='2814308'] Sure, NG won on the battlefield, [b]but got what UPN offered them[/b]. It cost UPN, but they win some points here; they stood up for themselves. It's better than not taking the battlefield and just bending over and giving an alliance $15mil/250tech. [/quote] I'm gonna go out on a limb and say UPN got what we offered (since Arexes already said he made the reps 6mil as a joke). But it's not really a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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