kriekfreak Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Basically FOK+Umb is all you need to reduce your opponents upper tier to ashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Fidem Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1307207423' post='2723783'] This same kind of analysis would have probably had people saying Rok should have beaten down PC, or that at worst it would be an even fight. But you cant statistically measure someone's resolve, activity, or skill. By those measures, your 'balanced fight' above would be a massacre, although NoR seem to be decently competent. [/quote] agreed, thats because PC is/was everyones nightmare and now we're an even scarier beast that no longer hides in your closet and lurks under your bed but the beast that will eat your face slaughter your men women and children then post the pics of what happens when we pop out of the shadows because of haterz tryna hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Ad Fidem' timestamp='1308317060' post='2733051'] agreed, thats because PC is/was everyones nightmare and now we're an even scarier beast that no longer hides in your closet and lurks under your bed but the beast that will eat your face slaughter your men women and children then post the pics of what happens when we pop out of the shadows because of haterz tryna hate [/quote] You sir are a fine rep for your alliance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 What about DH/PB vs TOP/TSO/Duckroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1308343212' post='2733213'] What about DH/PB vs TOP/TSO/Duckroll? [/quote] Without adding up actual stats, I would say that DH/PB would win fairly soundly. IRON, TOP and Valhalla are really the only top 40 alliances in that group, while DH/PB has MK, VE, Umb, FOK and NG all in the top 40. Both groups have competent fighters, but DH/PB is simply too much larger for it to be an even fight. Edited June 17, 2011 by flak attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1308344028' post='2733224'] Without adding up actual stats, I would say that DH/PB would win fairly soundly. IRON, TOP and Valhalla are really the only top 40 alliances in that group, while DH/PB has MK, VE, Umb, FOK and NG all in the top 40. Both groups have competent fighters, but DH/PB is simply too much larger for it to be an even fight. [/quote] I actually, dont know. TOP is kinda a game changer alliance imo. I'm gonna look at the stats there. You're probably right, but let me check. Edit: Yeah you're right. You've definitely got the statistical advantage by pretty much every metric. [img]http://i.imgur.com/k8OvT.png[/img] Thats pretty big. I always forget how well wondered FOK and MK are for their size. Edit2: and for that matter NG as well. Edit3: plus there are still some well endowed members on the PC and iFOK AAs Edited June 17, 2011 by Lord Curzon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 You know whats weird though, check this out. In terms of percentages both groups are nearly identical. % with MP DR/TSO/TOP- ~54% PB/DH- ~54% % with SDI DR/TSO/TOP- ~50% PB/DH- ~50% % with WRC DR/TSO/TOP- ~34% PB/DH- ~31% Avg Tech DR/TSO/TOP- 2392 PB/DH- 2432 ANS DR/TSO/TOP- 36914 PB/DH- 31273 Cool stuff. Great groups nation build alike I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) Umbrella is a great military alliance. I'd choose DH to win. Edited June 18, 2011 by Ryan Greenberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 We'd take'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1308370304' post='2733627'] We'd take'em. [/quote] Single DoW on the preempt this time? You wanna post it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Lord Curzon' timestamp='1308349720' post='2733300'] TOP is kinda a game changer alliance imo. [/quote] Umb counterbalances TOP And I never noticed how closely built we are either. Crazy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Guess you could include RoK in the NoR/DT/Val/Asg side of this discussion as well. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/awesome.gif[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natan Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1308372637' post='2733659'] Guess you could include RoK in the NoR/DT/Val/Asg side of this discussion as well. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/awesome.gif[/img] [/quote] You could, but it'd change absolutely nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Natan' timestamp='1308373060' post='2733671'] You could, but it'd change absolutely nothing! [/quote] Same result due to Umbrella's superiority in the upper ranks, I agree. Think the lower ranks would be even more crazy though. Edited June 18, 2011 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Lightyear Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1308343212' post='2733213'] What about DH/PB vs TOP/TSO/Duckroll? [/quote] Honestly, i think this would be a better fight than the OP. Not to say that Val and Co. arent good fighters, but i think TOP (even tho theyve fallen)/TSO/DR would be a tougher fight. of course, we would still win Edited June 18, 2011 by Buzz Lightyear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 I'd say that Duckroll et. al. vs PB/MK would be a loss for Duckroll & friends mostly because of the way Duckroll seemingly functions (non-bloc status or whatever). If that is the case, then PB & friends are simply more likely to have more conversational ties and are able to plan more effectively in advance in an organized manner (that isn't to say Duckroll doesn't communicate, but I really don't know how a non-bloc de facto bloc works communication-wise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Your completely forgetting that DR+TOP+TSO planned and performed the single greatest move in the history of Planet Bob™. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1308409352' post='2733920'] Your completely forgetting that DR+TOP+TSO planned and performed the single greatest move in the history of Planet Bob™. [/quote] I thought GGA disbanded on their own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Lightyear Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 i think we should have a friendly duel between the 2 groups. (PB/DH and DR/TOP/TSO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1308409060' post='2733919'] I'd say that Duckroll et. al. vs PB/MK would be a loss for Duckroll & friends mostly because of the way Duckroll seemingly functions (non-bloc status or whatever). If that is the case, then PB & friends are simply more likely to have more conversational ties and are able to plan more effectively in advance in an organized manner (that isn't to say Duckroll doesn't communicate, but I really don't know how a non-bloc de facto bloc works communication-wise). [/quote] I think you're forgetting that the entire point of the duckroll treaty is to increase communication and military integration during wartime. Not only that, but we've mixed TOP and TSO into that structure before, and despite the loss, I think it was pretty effective in terms of destructive power. Not to imply that PB doesn't have a good command and control structure, but this is literally the only point of the treaty, and is something we have been doing for quite a few wars now. [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1308409352' post='2733920'] Your completely forgetting that DR+TOP+TSO planned and performed the single greatest move in the history of Planet Bob™. [/quote] Good times. I like the trade mark. We should sue DH for copywrite infringement. [quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1308413102' post='2733966'] i think we should have a friendly duel between the 2 groups. (PB/DH and DR/TOP/TSO) [/quote] Pistols at dawn then? Who will be our "seconds" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Lightyear Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Lord Curzon' timestamp='1308417161' post='2734012'] Pistols at dawn then? Who will be our "seconds" [/quote] who needs seconds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1308417517' post='2734016'] who needs seconds? [/quote] Good point. We can have GPA be the moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lord Curzon' timestamp='1308417161' post='2734012'] Good times. I like the trade mark. We should sue DH for copywrite infringement. [/quote] Sounds like a great idea. Let's charge them in tech. [quote]who needs seconds?[/quote] I think its pretty well known that we don't play by the rules so instead of waiting for the full three seconds before firing we'll probably shoot you between 1 and 2. So, your gonna need a second. Edited June 18, 2011 by Feanor Noldorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1308419164' post='2734036'] Sounds like a great idea. Let's charge them in tech. I think its pretty well known that we don't play by the rules so instead of waiting for the full three seconds before firing we'll probably shoot you between 1 and 2. So, your gonna need a second. [/quote] What they charged us in tech, plus interest sounds about right. We're going to preempt the go signal. God, these brilliant strategies will obviously make up for our statistical deficit. Whoever said this would be a competition was delussional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Mjolnir is a pretty good bloc, with good fighters most notably Val and Asgaard. I sure wouldn't like to fight any of them. Since a lot of them haven't been in a losing war for awhile (apart from RoK and DT), their tech rations and warchests should be pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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