Atmosfear Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 So a friend and I were talking, and we were wondering how does a coalition that considers itself sovereign and the defeaters of evil still go to war against alliances that it has no cause to do so? Granted, there are alliances and blocs out there that have a right to declare on an alliance through defense of allies, but the EQ seems to be ridden with alliances that have no reason to fight other alliances. The only reason I can think of is that the EQ is bad at war and has to use numbers to make up for their infra-hugging tendencies. Just curious, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jraenar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 what alliances do we have no cause to go to war against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 i love totally ooc topics about totally ic things that totally aren't reflected by the fact that you're allied to mk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) So a friend and I were talking, and we were wondering how does a coalition that considers itself sovereign and the defeaters of evil still go to war against alliances that it has no cause to do so? Granted, there are alliances and blocs out there that have a right to declare on an alliance through defense of allies, but the EQ seems to be ridden with alliances that have no reason to fight other alliances. The only reason I can think of is that the EQ is bad at war and has to use numbers to make up for their infra-hugging tendencies. Just curious, you know? Evil is a relative concept. I don't consider myself to be fighting for the forces of good or to be a defeater of evil, but rather for my allies just like you are. You were offered peace a while back, and you chose to not accept it. That is your choice as a sovereign alliance, and it is our choice as a sovereign alliance to keep grinding your alliance down. I feel quite bad continuing this fight as you are fighting for your allies, but you are making the decision to continue at this point in time, not us. I would also point out that superior numbers is a good war strategy and everyone uses it whenever possible. No one (for the most part) starts a war to lose a war, and as a result superior numbers are used. Btw, what ally is Alchemy fighting to defend here? I seem to have lost the copy of the Alchemy TOP treaty, seem to recall you chaining in... Edited March 14, 2013 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 i'm not a scientist but *not going to war at all* seems like a better infra hugging move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmosfear Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) what alliances do we have no cause to go to war against? Well, for one, this thread is a perfect example. I was checking the war chart and Ai's treaties; there appears to be no treaty between DB4D or Sparta, and GOONS appears to only be attacking Ai. There are others, and I will try to dig them up if you wish :) Fixed the link Edited March 14, 2013 by Atmosfear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Well, for one, this thread is a perfect example. I was checking the war chart and Ai's treaties; there appears to be no treaty between DB4D or Sparta, and GOONS appears to only be attacking Ai. There are others, and I will try to dig them up if you wish :) You missed something there mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmosfear Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 i love totally ooc topics about totally ic things that totally aren't reflected by the fact that you're allied to mk My opinion does not reflect my alliance or MK. However, we can see you have an issue with MK ;) You should talk to them about that issue! i'm not a scientist but *not going to war at all* seems like a better infra hugging move Not going to war could be considered pixel envy :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 So a friend and I were talking, and we were wondering how does a coalition that considers itself sovereign and the defeaters of evil still go to war against alliances that it has no cause to do so? Granted, there are alliances and blocs out there that have a right to declare on an alliance through defense of allies, but the EQ seems to be ridden with alliances that have no reason to fight other alliances. The only reason I can think of is that the EQ is bad at war and has to use numbers to make up for their infra-hugging tendencies. Just curious, you know? Your from Alchemy you say.... hello you probably remember me... I was in that Alliance you oportunisticly dogpiled without a CB a little over a year ago. Great to hear your keeping well and still about. Have a nice day. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Well, for one, this thread is a perfect example. I was checking the war chart and Ai's treaties; there appears to be no treaty between DB4D or Sparta, and GOONS appears to only be attacking Ai. There are others, and I will try to dig them up if you wish :) you didnt link that correctly, but I'll humor you, the original decleration clearly stated an attack on one is an attack on all, and as long as there isnt a treaty conflict(see, any of NPO's direct allies on any of the NPO allies part of the opposing coalition) they're fair game to anyone part of EQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Well, for one, this thread is a perfect example. I was checking the war chart and Ai's treaties; there appears to be no treaty between DB4D or Sparta, and GOONS appears to only be attacking Ai. There are others, and I will try to dig them up if you wish :) Fixed the link In coalition wars, such things happen. Usually, the exact treaty chains are laid out (example: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80101). That convention has been done away with this war because it just wastes space. Just about any Eq alliance could choose to defend any other Eq alliance via treaty with enough chains. Removing the actual chains from the DoW is just tidy, imo. Of course, everyone should just adopt the Moldavi Doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Evil is a relative concept. I don't consider myself to be fighting for the forces of good or to be a defeater of evil, but rather for my allies just like you are. You were offered peace a while back, and you chose to not accept it. That is your choice as a sovereign alliance, and it is our choice as a sovereign alliance to keep grinding your alliance down. I feel quite bad continuing this fight as you are fighting for your allies, but you are making the decision to continue at this point in time, not us. I would also point out that superior numbers is a good war strategy and everyone uses it whenever possible. No one (for the most part) starts a war to lose a war, and as a result superior numbers are used. Btw, what ally is Alchemy fighting to defend here? I seem to have lost the copy of the Alchemy TOP treaty, seem to recall you chaining in... MK declared war on GLoF so Alchemy used its optional aggression treaty with MK on GLoF so it was legitimate. ACTUALLY, in terms of technicality, you side actually declared war via the original DoW on MK first. So, really, you attacked MK, which bought Alchemy into the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jraenar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 MK declared war on GLoF so Alchemy used its optional aggression treaty with MK on GLoF so it was legitimate. ACTUALLY, in terms of technicality, you side actually declared war via the original DoW on MK first. So, really, you attacked MK, which bought Alchemy into the war. You have a very strange way of spelling Umbrella, the target of the original DoW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) MK declared war on GLoF so Alchemy used its optional aggression treaty with MK on GLoF so it was legitimate. ACTUALLY, in terms of technicality, you side actually declared war via the original DoW on MK first. So, really, you attacked MK, which bought Alchemy into the war. Whatever way you spin it, its still bullshit. MK attacked GLOF on behalf of TOP to chain you into the war, which is just as horrible as what your member is suggesting (Spoiler: Neither is actually horrible and just a part of war). Edited March 14, 2013 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) So a friend and I were talking, and we were wondering how does a coalition that considers itself sovereign and the defeaters of evil still go to war against alliances that it has no cause to do so? Granted, there are alliances and blocs out there that have a right to declare on an alliance through defense of allies, but the EQ seems to be ridden with alliances that have no reason to fight other alliances. The only reason I can think of is that the EQ is bad at war and has to use numbers to make up for their infra-hugging tendencies. Just curious, you know? DH, TOP, CnG, are getting the spanking they deserve. That's all I care about atm. If axis alliances want to get in the way of the meat grinder, then go right ahead, but complaining about collateral damage seems kind of silly given that this war has been a long time coming. Also, lol@this topic. Edited March 14, 2013 by Enamel32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordShinnra Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Your from Alchemy you say.... hello you probably remember me... I was in that Alliance you oportunisticly dogpiled without a CB a little over a year ago. Great to hear your keeping well and still about. Have a nice day. :) So do you just alliance hop to be opportunistic or is it a coincidence you are in alliances that dog pile when it happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 You have a very strange way of spelling Umbrella, the target of the original DoW. Obviously you have been living under a rock since the beginning of the war. I was referring to the EQ's original DoW that involved an "attack on one is an attack on all." And the sad part is, you guys tried to "undeclare," lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Now this is how you should DOW hey Alchemy? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=107288 Just start hitting random AA's sitting on the sideline not even involved in the war? You didn't even bother to name all the alliances you hit that day, but to remind you it was TTK, CRAP, CSN and NPL. Cheers. So do you just alliance hop to be opportunistic or is it a coincidence you are in alliances that dog pile when it happens? You dont know me very well do you. You might want to try again. Edited March 14, 2013 by King Wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Your from Alchemy you say.... hello you probably remember me... I was in that Alliance you oportunisticly dogpiled without a CB a little over a year ago. Great to hear your keeping well and still about. Have a nice day. :) I love how they have selectively ignored this post, and more importantly, its implication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Now this is how you should DOW hey Alchemy?http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=107288 Just start hitting random AA's sitting on the sideline not even involved in the war? You didn't even bother to name all the alliances you hit that day, but to remind you it was TTK, CRAP, CSN and NPL. Cheers. You dont know me very well do you. You might want to try again. Your from Alchemy you say.... hello you probably remember me... I was in that Alliance you oportunisticly dogpiled without a CB a little over a year ago. Great to hear your keeping well and still about. Have a nice day. :) Because Alchemy is that awesome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Why on earth are we at war with MK, why they've never been anything but complete and utter fine gentlemen to us? Evil Pacifica must have hypnotized us into doing their bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 tl;dr Another topic using the same whiny rhetoric this coalition has been using from the start. gg OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Because Alchemy is that awesome? because your protector and their direct allies have been the cause of every single dogpile war for the past 3 years, it's only fitting they're getting dogpiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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