Ch33kY Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I might take this apology a little more seriously if I knew what the punishement was for those \m/ members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewatk432 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I'm not sure if you're serious or not but judging from your first post I guess you are. I'm not claiming they're being punished, reread my first post carefully.Thanks for the insgihtful info on censorship and punishment in polar. I'll just add to the list of reasons to avoid that place. I would quit while you're ahead, punishment for racial remarks (or general bad/offensive behavior) is not 'censorship' Edited January 20, 2010 by ewatk432 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minilla Island Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 What people need to remember is that Stand or Die, Nordreich and Norden Verein got rolled for less than what \m/ did. At least \m/ is taking some responsibility for its actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenex Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 This thread needs moar trollz. Should have installed that plug-in to allow complete control over members keyboards whilst lurking your public channel. I cannot say whether this is a PR stunt or not, but I am guessing a big portion of the nay-sayers in this thread would have not known about it in the first place if said topic was not created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncos98 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Recently in #\m/ on irc.synirc.net several \m/ members spewed extremely racist remarks against many people. The behavior of our members can be characterized as abhorrent and it is not the \m/ way. However, those who frequent #\m/ should know that these sort of comments are said all the time Wha...? So are you condemning or condoning these remarks. Out of one side of your mouth you say sorry, out of the other side you excuse and rationalize the 'abhorrent' actions. Classy as always \m/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I don't really see the need for this apology. First of all, it doesn't really look like an apology, but more like a warning of what will happen; which is fair enough I guess. Also, I have always seen such remarks and controversies as an individual v. individual one, not reflecting on the alliances. While \m/ might have more of this than is par for the course, I see no reason to get angry at them for things their members say in their own channel, take it up with the people doing it. Edited January 20, 2010 by Sulmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm not sure if you're serious or not but judging from your first post I guess you are. I'm not claiming they're being punished, reread my first post carefully.Thanks for the insgihtful info on censorship and punishment in polar. I'll just add to the list of reasons to avoid that place. I know right? If I want to offend people and act like a jackass then BY GOD I have the right to do so! They can't censor me! I DO WHAT I WANT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Ugh. Threatening to attack alliances over IRC banter is soooooooo 2007! I just love that of course the people offended to the point of war at the offhand remarks of a bunch of childlike rulers also claim maturity. I'd rather die than have a Digiterran Censorship Board or Upright Citizens Brigade punishing people for speech. Burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I would quit while you're ahead, punishment for racial remarks is not 'censorship' Kicking people without warning for using colorful language would be. Maybe I'm just spoiled with being in nice communities that doesn't throw members out to the wolves when the alliance might risk some bad pr. Regardless members do not speak for the alliance as a whole even if they're not thrown out for what they said. Wich was the original issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason8 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) B-b-b-b-but it was a racist remark, not a rape joke!But seriously nothing would please me more than to see some moralists go have some fun wiping \m/ away. However once again we will sit here have a discussion about how classy \m/ is for posting their apology, and how !@#$ty some of their members are for saying these terrible, awful, things and everyone will go home. Statements like this are amazingly ironic. "\m/ is a terrible, terrible alliance and should be destroyed for the dirty words that come out of its' members' mouths." Why is it ironic? Because in the [OOC]MK alliance forums[/OOC], you have "18+" areas that objectify women. BUT WE DON'T HEAR YOU !@#$%*ING ABOUT THAT, DO WE, SEEROW? MK isn't the only alliance that has provisions for such things, but I really really can't believe what I'm hearing. Morals when convenient. At least neneko is putting on a good show for MK. Edited January 20, 2010 by Jason8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrazil Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 \m/bola claims another victim. venue. It just continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 "damn girl, if you didn't want to get jumped you shouldn't have been taking the shortcut through the alley".On a more fitting level, if \m/ keeps requesting that issues be brought to their private channel and off this board, they should think ahead and kick out the idiots. Nonconsensual sex and hanging out in a chat room where you don't like the topic of conversation are not even remotely similar. The offended bystanders who got all butthurt are not victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) Ugh. Threatening to attack alliances over IRC banter is soooooooo 2007! I just love that of course the people offended to the point of war at the offhand remarks of a bunch of childlike rulers also claim maturity.I'd rather die than have a Digiterran Censorship Board or Upright Citizens Brigade punishing people for speech. Burn. Except no one threatened \m/ with war over their choice of colorful language. Anyone who says differently is either ignorant or a goddamn liar. Edited January 20, 2010 by Fallen_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Pointless announcement \m/ . IRC chit chat when not to do with CN politics and plots is not relevant. You have members, they talk. What are you supposed to be, their momma? Of course if this was not on Planet Bob then your organization might have had issues, as it is now, this is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Except no one threatened \m/ with war over their choice of colorful language. Anyone who says differently is either ignorant or a goddamn liar. You're right. It's completely random that \m/ is apologizing and nearly 30% of their membership is in peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) edit: On second thought, I'm staying out of this one. Edited January 20, 2010 by President Obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpdogg Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Kicking people without warning for using colorful language would be. Maybe I'm just spoiled with being in nice communities that doesn't throw members out to the wolves when the alliance might risk some bad pr.Regardless members do not speak for the alliance as a whole even if they're not thrown out for what they said. Wich was the original issue here. The members named by the Polar earlier in this topic were indeed warned and given a chance to make amends. Thank you for your concern, but I haven't seen a Polar member expelled without ample warning and generous chances for reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm not sure if you're serious or not but judging from your first post I guess you are. I'm not claiming they're being punished, reread my first post carefully.Thanks for the insgihtful info on censorship and punishment in polar. I'll just add to the list of reasons to avoid that place. Yeah we are neo-moralists and censors who censorship and punish those who don't behavior themselves in a respectful and civilized manner. How bad we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proko Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) If you are wondering, 'Am I misinformed if I believe that Polaris is going to attack \m/ because it is a community that fosters and tolerates racism,' then I will tell that 'yes, you are misinformed about this attack.' No attack will befall \m/ on account of the racism that it fosters and tolerates. <Czar_Nick|Sleep> its not [censored crime] if theyre [possessing censored physical characteristic] These comments happen all the time? You do not think there is a problem with that? EDIT: Quoted some of the offense logs here, but on second thought, removing them before I am warned for repeating them. Edited January 20, 2010 by Proko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 You're right. It's completely random that \m/ is apologizing and nearly 30% of their membership is in peace mode. Yes, the two events are unrelated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) If you are wondering, 'Am I misinformed if I believe that Polaris is going to attack \m/ because it is a community that fosters and tolerates racism,' then I will tell that 'yes, you are misinformed about this attack.' No attack will befall \m/ on account of the racism that it fosters and tolerates. <Czar_Nick|Sleep> its not murder if theyre black These comments happen all the time? You do not think there is a problem with that? What's '"black?" I see that some of my citizens might be Black, but I have no Digiterran contextual experience from which to understand what it is. All this outrage must be over some weird, non-Digiterran concept. Edited January 20, 2010 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason8 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 <Czar_Nick|Sleep> its not murder if theyre blackThese comments happen all the time? You do not think there is a problem with that? Who cares? It's their IRC channel on a seperate IRC network then pretty much the entirety of CN. If they were coming into your channels and saying the same things, I can see why you would throw a hissy fit over it. As of right now, I see absolutely no problems with joking around and actually having a little fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 You're right. It's completely random that \m/ is apologizing and nearly 30% of their membership is in peace mode. There's isn't a roll-eyes emoticon big enough for this type of disingenuoity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) Statements like this are amazingly ironic. "\m/ is a terrible, terrible alliance and should be destroyed for the dirty words that come out of its' members' mouths." Why is it ironic? Because in the [OOC]MK alliance forums[/OOC], you have "18+" areas that objectify women. BUT WE DON'T HEAR YOU !@#$%*ING ABOUT THAT, DO WE, SEEROW? MK isn't the only alliance that has provisions for such things, but I really really can't believe what I'm hearing.Morals when convenient. At least neneko is putting on a good show for MK. I didn't say that I was outraged by their remarks at all. What I said was I wouldn't mind seeing \m/ get wiped off the face of planet Bob. I did not like them the first time around, and this time they're even worse than they were the first time. Please don't get me mixed up with any of the moralists. I agree, if I had trouble with \m/ tossing around racial slurs it would be very hypocritical, as my alliance tends to have much banter in that regard that probably puts what happened in that channel to shame. However, we keep it private, and any inter-alliance tensions caused by it are dealt with internally. That \m/ could not contain themselves and made a bad impression publicly, thus giving those self-righteous moralists the excuse to roll them is their own fault. Me enjoying the thought of \m/ getting trashed for this is not the same as being the one wanting to get up in arms myself to trash them over this, though I'd lend my nation if asked towards such an endeavor simply for the joy of seeing the zombie die once and for all. Though I must admit, you saying that morals are incompatible with having a subsection for porn is pretty laughable. Cause I'll be perfectly honest, any guy past the age of 13 who says they don't look at at least some porn is probably lying, those above 18 are almost definitely lying. Same probably goes for most women, but it's more stereotypical for guys. Clearly though having an acceptable place for such a popular passtime makes it impossible to have morals! (For the record I don't even have a pervert mask to access said porn forum, I just felt the need to argue that point as being absolutely retarded) Edit: I just realized who I was talking to. Seriously Jason, you should know me better than to think I'd ever become a moralist. What a lame callout Edited January 20, 2010 by Seerow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 You're right. It's completely random that \m/ is apologizing and nearly 30% of their membership is in peace mode. How \m/ sets \m/ nations to go into peace mode is \m/'s doing, not anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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