Chalaskan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) If you can show me where ODN tried to get RnR to leave a bloc....other than just talking about it....I will gladly eat my words. When it comes down to it, politics is a game of manipulation. However, if you refuse to be manipulated you have nothing to worry about. There is no proof that ODN acted upon this discussion. If you are going to prosecute them on that, then you should probably prosecute me for discussing ways to tear the NpO away from the NPO when i was leading the NAAC. I think this is a clear statement on such a refusal. I am certain if NpO or NPO got word of your discussions, they would have acted in a more aggressive manner at that point in time. Also, I am curious how many in the ODN GA are familiar with these logs. Edited December 18, 2009 by Chalaskan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkerNinja Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I'm very sad about this. As GFL mentioned ODN and RnR had a lot of good times together. It was the friendliest, tightest, most laid back and informal diplomatic relationship that I've ever experienced. These two shared each others private forums and irc channels with each other. That's pretty freaking tight. To see that go away... That's just bad. A sad day for the Cyberverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew734 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 best wishes R&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimace Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Having previously been in R&R for quite some time I am confident this decision is justified nor was it made lightly. Best regards to all my friends in R&R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserwolf Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Sad to hear about the cancellation. I wish things could have worked out between you guys. ODN you have our support. Good luck to you R&R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Thankfully they didn't cancel because of the logs alone. Maybe after 8 pages, you'd like to think people will start figuring out we didn't just cancel over the GFL-Proximus issue. Yeah, you also cancelled because of the leaked Arsenal/Joracy logs, which have already been posted and debated in this thread. Ding ding ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 RnR is one of the best alliances out there, so I trust that you guys made the right decision with this, I'm sure it wasn't easy for you guys. Good luck with LEO2 ODN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSpawn Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Your entitled to your own opinions The Lonely Man. ODN and our allies know why we cancelled this treaty. That's good enough for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yeah, you also cancelled because of the leaked Arsenal/Joracy logs, which have already been posted and debated in this thread. Ding ding ding! Remind me again. when did you get elected into R&R gov? only position i keep track of is MoSW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan V Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Yeah, you also cancelled because of the leaked Arsenal/Joracy logs, which have already been posted and debated in this thread. Ding ding ding! I believe it is far more than just one log that caused the cancellation on ODN, you know, but since you aren't getting it, I guess there's no helping you. R&R doesn't do business on a whim like that. Edited December 18, 2009 by Ivan V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEIXIAIS Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Good luck to RnR. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotch Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 as someone who has been a member of both ODN and R&R, this treaty cancellation obviously saddens me. That being said, the fine folks over at R&R are competent people and if they felt this was needed for their own good, it was. As long as I can come over and argue with Jus's daily rants, drink yuengling with DS, talk dirty with Wai, and hate on the cubbies whenver cmf is around, i'll stay a happy scotch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juslen Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Having previously been in R&R for quite some time I am confident this decision is justified nor was it made lightly.Best regards to all my friends in R&R. Good to see you are still alive and kicking. I was doing some browsing on various threads of the past and I wondered what you have been up to. Stop by our forums and spam along side us with the rest of our friends, including ODN. Two alliances do not have to have a treaty together to show their respects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSpawn Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 as someone who has been a member of both ODN and R&R, this treaty cancellation obviously saddens me. That being said, the fine folks over at R&R are competent people and if they felt this was needed for their own good, it was. As long as I can come over and argue with Jus's daily rants, drink yuengling with DS, talk dirty with Wai, and hate on the cubbies whenver cmf is around, i'll stay a happy scotch. And it shall always be that way, as long as im around! /me goes to get another 6 pack of Yuengling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yeah, you also cancelled because of the leaked Arsenal/Joracy logs, which have already been posted and debated in this thread. Ding ding ding! Are you seriously that dense or are you making a brazen attempt at sarcasm? It seems to be the former, in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Chaos Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Best of luck to our friends & allies at R&R. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 This announcement brings some very mixed emotions for me. I have answered a lot of questions in private about my leaving R&R and my “attitude change” toward ODN in the last few months. I guess it is time to explain some things. Perhaps there are two lessons: 1. Never read your best friend's diary. 2. Put a better lock on your diary. -Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 They'll toss CnG to the wolves at the first sign of overwhelming odds. They are the Optional Defense Network, y'know? I'm beginning to feel very "optional" towards you. -Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I'm beginning to feel very "optional" towards you.-Craig Sounds... intimidating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrideAssassin Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Godspeed R&R! o7 Sucks to see old friends drift away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Juggler Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Good luck R&R. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Interesting, if not particularly earth shattering. Also I have no clue why people are apparently interested in berating R&R. If R&R don't trust ODN, then they should not be bound to them indefinitely. Besides, less treaties in existence is not neccessarily a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimace Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Good to see you are still alive and kicking. I was doing some browsing on various threads of the past and I wondered what you have been up to. Stop by our forums and spam along side us with the rest of our friends, including ODN. Two alliances do not have to have a treaty together to show their respects Just barely alive and kicking. I'm only here because I got the bat signal and came running. You know a lack of treaty has never much mattered to me. Though I do pop in the forums occasionally to lurk. I 'll make an effort to post something next time I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzell Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Best of luck to the good folks at RnR. May Orange stay strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeru Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Another almost completely private treaty cancellation. I dislike this new information policy, Bob. :| Edited December 18, 2009 by michaeru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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