Bob Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 You guys in CnG must be flattered by ODN right about now, then. Better to not have an ally that doesn't have your back then to have one that doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ok, now knowing what I know. I understand the politics behind this for R&R, but it is dangerously close to VincentXander territory. Conversations like the one that was leaked happen daily between leaders of various alliances. I hope there were more reasons to the cancellation than what I have seen. Oh dear god now my interests are peaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 R&R have a pretty solid history of making decisions like this based on what they feel is right, and not politics or pettiness as some seem to want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Better to not have an ally that doesn't have your back then to have one that doesn't. They'll toss CnG to the wolves at the first sign of overwhelming odds. They are the Optional Defense Network, y'know? Edited December 18, 2009 by Luna Sol solis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroknia Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I can't believe I've spent years defending ODN as not so bad with what I've seen from outside this thread. Good luck my former allies and friends in R&R. Stay classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Better to not have an ally that doesn't have your back then to have one that doesn't. Then why'd you ally with the OD- You know what, too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ok, now knowing what I know. I understand the politics behind this for R&R, but it is dangerously close to VincentXander territory. Conversations like the one that was leaked happen daily between leaders of various alliances. I hope there were more reasons to the cancellation than what I have seen. God forbid an alliance talk about hypothetical futures. Is there a wikia on this fellow? ive never heard the name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Then why'd you ally with the OD-You know what, too easy. Beat you to the punch, AUT. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 R&R have a pretty solid history of making decisions like this based on what they feel is right, and not politics or pettiness as some seem to want to believe. Thank Admin someone has a freaking brain. Thank you Heft, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trace Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Lol. Woooo, alliance leaders, discussing their alliance policy, and how they'd best like them to proceed, and that they'd love to have some of their allies accompany them. These are clearly great reasons to cancel. Seriously, if your own alliance leaders (this goes to everyone posting in here) don't have such frank discussions, then I feel sorry for your alliance. Admittedly, letting them get into !@#$%* was silly, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dammit, ninja'd! Seems Xiph is just that fast. He can be, yes. Quite frankly, R&R's actions in this instance are nothing short of petty, and SuperFriends are defending them for political reasons. Are they really? Frankly, I'd "defend" them regardless as I like them. I also happen to agree with the action and reasoning, which if nothing else is a nice bonus. But for the sake of tinfoil hats, eh sure. I bow to your wisdom, Mighty One. Oh, and Gofastleft, my hamster treats its allies better than you do. Your hamster must be one hell of a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Is there a wikia on this fellow? ive never heard the name The logs that kicked off GW3. VincentXander, leader of GATO, was talking about scenarios in which the NPO could be defeated with Sir Galahad of the Legion. Logs were leaked to the NPO and thus we had GW3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well done, R&R. Best of luck to you. I agree with my comrade here. And this may turn out to be quite the interesting drama. :> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Thank Admin someone has a freaking brain. Thank you Heft, seriously. )): SOM )): [22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> SOM agreed with Heft [22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> we're all gunna die [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> omg [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> took the words right out of my mouth [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> I was honestly about to say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyer Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Sad to see this end :/ Best of luck R&R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 )): SOM )):[22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> SOM agreed with Heft [22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> we're all gunna die [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> omg [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> took the words right out of my mouth [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> I was honestly about to say that But... Heft was right... Does this mean I'm not in the cool kid's club anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 ...Conversations like the one that was leaked happen daily between leaders of various alliances. I hope there were more reasons to the cancellation than what I have seen. God forbid an alliance talk about hypothetical futures. Kind of what I was thinking, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 )): SOM )):[22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> SOM agreed with Heft [22:48] <WickedJ[CSN]> we're all gunna die [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> omg [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> took the words right out of my mouth [22:49] <Lord_Brendan> I was honestly about to say that Hey, I actually like R&R (and my opinions on ODN aren't exactly well-hidden). Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hey, I actually like R&R (and my opinions on ODN aren't exactly well-hidden). Sorry. They're just jealous that you can do it better. We, at CSN, tend to be the jealous type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisK Owns You Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Good luck R&R jj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSpawn Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 [22:55] <%Mixoux> SF is evil quote this if you're down Thank you to all our friends, for sticking by us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Cancelling treaties based on private hypothetical discussions that are had daily in every single alliance... has it really come to this? Obligatory !@#$%* comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ok, now knowing what I know. I understand the politics behind this for R&R, but it is dangerously close to VincentXander territory. Conversations like the one that was leaked happen daily between leaders of various alliances. I hope there were more reasons to the cancellation than what I have seen. God forbid an alliance talk about hypothetical futures. Like hypothetically getting an alliance to leave a bloc so that they can be in your power sphere and hypothetically talking about dominating another alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juslen Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Ok, now knowing what I know. I understand the politics behind this for R&R, but it is dangerously close to VincentXander territory. Conversations like the one that was leaked happen daily between leaders of various alliances. I hope there were more reasons to the cancellation than what I have seen. God forbid an alliance talk about hypothetical futures. I asked the very same question of my alliance and voiced your specific concern earlier in the week. Needless to say I was encouraged to hear that it dealt with more than that. And as Heft stated, R&R tends to make decisions like this based on what they feel is right, not based on political motive. ODN has always been very friendly towards R&R. Matter of fact the vast majority of our alliance from what I have seen publicly has supported them. We have several former members who call ODN home and nobody once questioned the integrity of ODN's membership. But certain alliances tend to veer away from one another on the diplomatic from more than simple spam exchanges and friendly discussions. Never politically ambitious and always in the best interests of the alliance.. I trust the words of my Triumivr and I am not some simple blind follower, in the end its all about R&R and what is best for our membership and the future of our allies. A personal note, I hope relations with ODN improve. If there are issues, a MDP does not benefit either alliance if we cannot be on the same page. So this is where we look forward to improving relations. Everyone else here can speculate and point fingers, hell they can even support us.. but it changes nothing about the true nature of why this needed to happen. Edited December 18, 2009 by juslen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Like hypothetically getting an alliance to leave a bloc so that they can be in your power sphere and hypothetically talking about dominating another alliance. If you can show me where ODN tried to get RnR to leave a bloc....other than just talking about it....I will gladly eat my words. When it comes down to it, politics is a game of manipulation. However, if you refuse to be manipulated you have nothing to worry about. There is no proof that ODN acted upon this discussion. If you are going to prosecute them on that, then you should probably prosecute me for discussing ways to tear the NpO away from the NPO when i was leading the NAAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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