Opportunity Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 This is pretty funny considering some people were yelling at me for supposedly making NoR not surrender early. As a person who has never been a member of NoR in any capacity, let alone government, just how do you propose you would have "made" NoR surrender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 As a person who has never been a member of NoR in any capacity, let alone government, just how do you propose you would have "made" NoR surrender? You misread my statement comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkavian Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 #threadhasbeenofficiallyderailed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Lol @ comment that NoR hasn't lost pretty clear they were beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoshawk Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I congratulate NoR on reaching peace... oh wait, whose thread was this again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I congratulate NoR on reaching peace... oh wait, whose thread was this again? I can't remember, but sorry whoever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Seeing that Nordreich is handing out a ton more damage than receiving I feel that they aren't the alliance that should be surrendering... Well, soon they won't be if they keep this up. We at NoR are deeply impressed by the fortitude displayed by the defending coalition and none more so than our friends in NG. Also VE and MW are distressingly persistent fighters for the opposition so hats off to you guys. Let's just close this war with an honourable peace and grab a beer. I am down for closing this war, just surrender and be done with it. I put it to you that points a) and 3) are inaccurate, and point 2) is subjective. I feel that it could well be harmful and destructive to our alliance. But again, I put it to you that peace is in your grasp if you want it. Right now. Peace is well within your grasp as well mate. Grab it on your own. Surrendering to our lessors is always dishonorable. Who exactly is your lessor? No one. Thought so. The coalition which we were de facto a part of by joining the war on an MDP may have lost, but NoR itself did not lose. We did exactly what we promised to do. As such, anything other than admission of defeat as part of a broader coalition announcement is entirely unacceptable. Nope. Soon, we will ensure the only option you have is to surrender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks for yous 2 cents. But this wills alls bes sorteds outs with outs you's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Nope. Soon, we will ensure the only option you have is to surrender. So, you have singled out NoR for special treatment and refuse to end the war without an individual surrender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Yes you are. Your alliance is actively refusing a peace that a) is indicative of your position in this war 2) is not crippling, destructive, or harmful in any nature, and 3) is identical to the peace that the vast majority of your coalition is offered, and that some have already accepted. It's insulting to your friends and allies you are fighting with, and intellectually insulting to anyone observing from the sidelines. This is wrong on pretty much every level. This seems to be pretty typical for your posting lately. NoR isn't refusing peace and neither is NG. We have offered admission of defeat and we are working on terms for our front. And no, NoR-NG peace is very different from other fronts. On the NoR-NG front we are being asked to pay reparations - for just honoring a treaty. So, yet again Bob, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Neither NG or NoR are being insulting to anyone, lol. Sometimes I think you just try to say things in an attempt to make yourself feel smart instead of actually thinking about what you are typing. Edited February 6, 2014 by Steve Buscemi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krashnaia Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Surrendering to our lessors is always dishonorable. No one is telling you to surrender to NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 No one is telling you to surrender to NSO.If you're gonna fire shots, you need a gun kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 No one is telling you to surrender to NSO. I accept your surrender for being an insufferable so & so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krashnaia Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I'm sure I can quote you talking out your furry ass again. Oh look, I did. This is like how you claim to be winning a war when over 60% of NoR's NS has been destroyed and yourself and 3/4 of your alliance have fled to Peace Mode? Leave the delusion. Embrace reality. Or, better still, do not. I accept your surrender for being an insufferable so & so Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. ^_^ Edited February 6, 2014 by Krashnaia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Vicarious Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Surrendering as an individual alliance is something that would be crippling, destructive, and harmful by its very nature to our alliance. You know who else refused to surrender at the end of a losing war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 You know who else refused to surrender at the end of a losing war? [OOC]Germany in WW1, Japan vs Russia in WW2[/OOC]Ragnarok in PB-Orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) This is like how you claim to be winning a war when over 60% of NoR's NS has been destroyed and yourself and 3/4 of your alliance have fled to Peace Mode? No one has claimed that NoR is "winning the war" at any point in time. What was said is that singling NoR out doesn't make much sense in context. Nordreich entered on an MDP with Non Grata. We caused more damage than we took, and we committed to staying in the war as long as NG needs us. We are honorable like that to our friends. Those were our only two objectives: cause lots of damage and stay in the war as long as needed. We accomplished our objectives, so it is quite impossible to say we "lost" anything outside of contextually being on the losing side of the war. Attempting to force NoR to surrender individually, rather than as part of a coalition acceptance of defeat, is something that will not happen. We will not leave the war until NG has left the war, period. And I do not believe this will happen outside of a full coalition admission of defeat (nor should it). That's my final word on this derailed topic. Edited February 6, 2014 by Opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 No one has claimed that NoR is "winning the war" at any point in time. What was said is that singling NoR out doesn't make much sense in context. Nordreich entered on an MDP with Non Grata. We caused more damage than we took, and we committed to staying in the war as long as NG needs us. We are honorable like that to our friends. Those were our only two objectives: cause lots of damage and stay in the war as long as needed. We accomplished our objectives, so it is quite impossible to say we "lost" anything outside of contextually being on the losing side of the war. Attempting to force NoR to surrender individually, rather than as part of a coalition acceptance of defeat, is something that will not happen. We will not leave the war until NG has left the war, period. And I do not believe this will happen outside of a full coalition admission of defeat (nor should it). That's my final word on this derailed topic. I tip my hat to NoR for helping there friend good job you deserve a cookie. But puffing out your chest with something like 2/3 of your AA in pm is funny IMO. Of course your going to out damage right now those once bigger nations in the lower tier are hard to fight but this is the key 3 v 1 you can get nuked once while you can nuke 3 targets. Not going into the math but logically yes you can lose and out damage. So swallow your pride and take terms given to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I tip my hat to NoR for helping there friend good job you deserve a cookie. But puffing out your chest with something like 2/3 of your AA in pm is funny IMO. Of course your going to out damage right now those once bigger nations in the lower tier are hard to fight but this is the key 3 v 1 you can get nuked once while you can nuke 3 targets. Not going into the math but logically yes you can lose and out damage. So swallow your pride and take terms given to you ITT: MCXA are trying to be at the big boys table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 You know who else refused to surrender at the end of a losing war?IRON to Gre in BiPolar. And they won in the end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I tip my hat to NoR for helping there friend good job you deserve a cookie. But puffing out your chest with something like 2/3 of your AA in pm is funny IMO. Of course your going to out damage right now those once bigger nations in the lower tier are hard to fight but this is the key 3 v 1 you can get nuked once while you can nuke 3 targets. Not going into the math but logically yes you can lose and out damage. So swallow your pride and take terms given to you The strategy involved in such a situation is clearly lost on you. The amount of dmg "once big" nations can inflict typically pales in comparison to what they've lost so total output of dmg wise your wrong. Edited February 6, 2014 by Boston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krashnaia Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Nordreich entered on an MDP with Non Grata. We caused more damage than we took, and we committed to staying in the war as long as NG needs us. We are honorable like that to our friends. Those were our only two objectives: cause lots of damage and stay in the war as long as needed. We accomplished our objectives, so it is quite impossible to say we "lost" anything outside of contextually being on the losing side of the war. Nice, nice. But, you see, this is a Global War, not post-elections day. I mean, you can spin things all you want to disguise a defeat as a victory, but we won't buy it. If you want to lengthen this war until you feel that you have "lost outside of contextually being on the losing side of the war", then bring it on. More days wasted on Peace Mode for 75% of you guys. Edited February 6, 2014 by Krashnaia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's a disgrace that so much of our AA is in PM. There are like 7 AAs on us and they can't even stagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmansfield68 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Congratulations, peace wins again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's a disgrace that so much of our AA is in PM. There are like 7 AAs on us and they can't even stagger. Nordreich are just that scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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