Jaiar Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1339993257' post='2987175'] It's not just about LSF, and if you do a bit of digging, you'll find out why. [/quote] Why don't you just spill all the details instead of doing all this foreplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339993195' post='2987173'] nvm. [/quote] "Nevermind" The official International stance on its treaty with LSF. Succinct, powerful: I like it. [quote name='Captain Spock' timestamp='1339993330' post='2987177'] I think you missed the part where an LSF member impersonated MCRABT and Tulak Hord. [/quote] No, I guess what I really missed is the "this treaty is void if either party to such impersonates MCRABT and/or Tulak" clause in The International's treaty with LSF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Well, I was planning to sit this one out like the yellow-bellied coward that I truly am... but now that we've been so expertly called out, I'm suddenly conflicted. -Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1339993536' post='2987184'] No, I guess what I really missed is the "this treaty is void if either party to such impersonates MCRABT and/or Tulak" clause in The International's treaty with LSF. [/quote] You claimed both wars here were the same because of the logs you produced. We suggested they aren't (and its very, very clear why), you changed your opinion. Nice playing with you. Edited June 18, 2012 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 ::eye roll at Bob in general:: I always love when the people most upset/sniping are the ones who have absolutely no involvement in the issue at hand or have nothing to do with it directly. But that's cn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339993094' post='2987167'] Yes, because MK has been worse than LSF in all this. [/quote] You know when someone says something like "That's a fair poi-Oh no, wait"? Normally, I think that's a pretty inelegant use of sarcasm. In this case, though, I started to have one reaction while reading your post and then very quickly changed gears half way through, with that being the literal and completely sarcasm-free thought that resulted. So: That's a fair poi-Oh, no wait. Edited June 18, 2012 by Delta1212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1339993631' post='2987190'] You know when someone says something like "That's a fair poi-Oh no, wait"? Normally, I think that's a pretty inelegant use of sarcasm. In this case, though, I started to have one reaction while reading your post and then very quickly changed gears half way through, with that being the literal and completely sarcasm-free thought that resulted. So: That's a fair poi-Oh, no wait. [/quote] Again, would you like to show me where MK impersonated government officials of various alliances in order to attempt to get them to declare war on CSN, or where MK spied/accepted screenshots of the NoR forums and then used said screenshots (w/o telling CSN they had them) to try to get people to declare war on CSN? If you can do that, then the situations are the same. If not, then we have distinct situations. Edited June 18, 2012 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 +1, good read. Many good suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1339993300' post='2987176'] Does LSF really have an agenda except to get a much larger power to declare on it? [/quote] Well, they've been pretty obvious about wanting to kill NoR for months, so that's kind of the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339993593' post='2987187'] You claimed both wars here were the same because of the logs you produced. We suggested they aren't (and its very, very clear why), you changed your opinion. Nice playing with you. [/quote] No, Penloogie, you have been crazy up-and-down the OWF tonight, and as part of it you're putting words into my mouth and then arguing them yourself. Congratulations on ~beating~ yourself in your argument with "me." You mistook my dramatized "logs" as actual logs, you dummy. Nice playing with you. (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339993762' post='2987193'] Again, would you like to show me where MK impersonated government officials of various alliances in order to attempt to get them to declare war on CSN, or where MK spied/accepted screenshots of the NoR forums and then used said screenshots (w/o telling CSN they had them) to try to get people to declare war on CSN? If you can do that, then the situations are the same. If not, then we have distinct situations. [/quote] I didn't say they were the same. I did imply that MK has been as bad or worse than LSF, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1339993300' post='2987176'] Does LSF really have an agenda except to get a much larger power to declare on it? [/quote] Does that really matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339993094' post='2987167'] Yes, because MK has been worse than LSF in all this. [/quote] You know I think your being hard on MK there, sure they have been bad but I don't know if I would say worse. Lets just agree to say they have been just as bad hey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1339993257' post='2987175'] It's not just about LSF, and if you do a bit of digging, you'll find out why. [/quote] Enlighten us, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 The needless baiting of INT aside, I actually like the idea of alliances posting simpler war declarations. So yeah, INT baiting = bad, simpler war declarations = good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1339993881' post='2987198'] No, Penloogie, you have been crazy up-and-down the OWF tonight, and as part of it you're putting words into my mouth and then arguing them yourself. Congratulations on ~beating~ yourself in your argument with "me." You mistook my dramatized "logs" as actual logs, you dummy. Nice playing with you. (lol) [/quote] I don't even know how you can view that as you "winning", considering you showed absolutely nothing. Now, if you were trying to be an ass, you succeeded and I congratulate you on that. Not much of an achievement, but still. Oh, and if this is turning to personal insults, you are crazy up-and-down the OWF on a daily basis, so I guess I'm just imitating the best! imitation is the sincerest form of flattery you know I'm not as good as you at it though, need to !@#$ up my posting more. [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1339993884' post='2987199'] I didn't say they were the same. I did imply that MK has been as bad or worse than LSF, though. [/quote] Would have to say that I completely disagree but I can understand why SF would feel that way, as I assume y'all can understand why I feel how I feel about LSF. Edited June 18, 2012 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Let's just get this out in the open: Did anyone expect ~The Left~ to ever, EVER grow the balls to stand against the Reich? Hahahaha! No! Nordreich has defeated The International without even firing a shot. And Nordreich didn't need to, everyone knows that the left can't handle Nordreich, they never could, and they never will. The International could be in C&G, DH, BFF, AZTEC, and have a treaty with VE and they still wouldn't -dare- go to war with Nordreich. The International may have hit it big, but they have sold out the Left in the process. Your banquet is sand, your wine is sour. Edited June 18, 2012 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Maybe LSF told Int it was ok because LSF was interested in just burning forever while engaging NoR with no real hope or care for victory....In that case you know maybe Int would be understandably off the hook. I don't really know as Im no longer in gov but there are instances where we all agree that going in would be a ridiculous notion. Your ally starting and prosecuting an eternal war would be one. Can anyone think of another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1339994186' post='2987208'] Let's just get this out in the open: Did anyone expect ~The Left~ to ever, EVER grow the balls to stand against the Reich? Hahahaha! No! Nordreich has defeated The International without even firing a shot. And Nordreich didn't need to, everyone knows that the left can't handle Nordreich, they never could, and they never will. The International could be in C&G, DH, BFF, AZTEC, and have a treaty with VE and they still wouldn't -dare- go to war with Nordreich. [/quote] Eh, better than Hal's but it's a bit too obvious. Subtlety is key in these sort of things. We're more likely to come out on the triple dog dare, to be honest. Edited June 18, 2012 by Ayatollah Bromeini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1339991738' post='2987122'] We at Valhalla have been watching all the fireworks recently and enjoying the show. I realize however that not all alliances necessarily know how to properly declare war or feel so much pressure to top the last war declaration in terms of audio-visual content, artwork, and other creative elements, they freeze up and don't take care of their business. Take The International for example. After promising a couple of their allies that they would in fact be declaring war soon ('soon' meaning within a day or hours, not 'soon' in geological terms), they remain on the sidelines. I suspect performance pressure. I am confident however with a few pointers that The International will be able to provide a simple but elegant declaration of war that will satisfy everyone. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97640&view=findpost&p=2595758"][b]Let's take this war dec for example.[/b][/url] 1. States [b]who is declaring war[/b]. 2. [b]Why[/b] war is actually being declared. 3. Includes [b]who is being declared war on[/b] (always important). 4. Adds a cool war flag at the top. I would also suggest checking spelling and grammar, but that's just me. So try this out for size: ------------------------- [center][img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/3/32/Int-war-big.png[/img][/center] We at The International take our treaties and our obligations to our allies very seriously. Recently, NordReich viciously attacked our long time ally, the Libertarian Socialist Federation. This aggression against our comrades will not stand. In accordance with Article IV of the International - Libertarian Socialist Federation Treaty, The International is declaring war on NordReich. ------------------------- I think you'll find it will be just as effective as the war declarations that insists on including cute puppies, unicorns, ax wielding warriors, or some video from a death metal camp no one outside to Copenhagen has ever heard of. Good luck, I have faith in you...even if you are a bunch of Commie atheists! [/quote] ...You might want to offer such helpful tips to your allies first. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339994456' post='2987214'] Eh, better than Hal's but it's a bit too obvious. Subtly is key in these sort of things. We're more likely to come out on the triple dog dare, to be honest. [/quote] Don't you have a flaccid parade to organize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1339994511' post='2987216'] Don't you have a flaccid parade to organize? [/quote] ... are you coming on to me? LSF knows where we stand on this. So do the rest of our allies. None are dissatisfied. That's all that matters to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339994179' post='2987207'] Would have to say that I completely disagree but I can understand why SF would feel that way, as I assume y'all can understand why I feel how I feel about LSF. [/quote] Oh, I don't expect you to agree, and I realize we're using entirely different metrics. Still, building an argument on the premise that MK's behavior compares favorably with someone else's doesn't seem like the best move available. The most you could ever hope for is a debate about which is actually worse, which doesn't really give your point any support so much as just start a new argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Webster Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1339994179' post='2987207'] [img]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rabid_dog.gif[/img] [/quote] lol [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1339994511' post='2987216'] Don't you have a flaccid parade to organize? [/quote] He's busy agonizing over decisions that have been made for him already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saniiro Matsudaira Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Someone seems frustrated that something didn't go their way. But to add, I am sure INT will do what is best, despite not being short-term. Edited June 18, 2012 by Saniiro Matsudaira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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