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Oh, thought it was dead anyway, but feels better to see that was'nt the case until 3 days ago, but sad to see it go. I am always a fan of downgrading or ending treaties that are not ticking or in some cases, are not expected to tick when they need to.

^--- Thanks again shahenshah for posting for me :)

Some people have a reason. Others like to talk big or make things up. Then, we all laugh at them.

Some people.... you may want to rephrase that to a lot of people.

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Ohh the GATO angle, i failed to notice AUT mentioned them (bad eyes on my part), i thought the last treaty GATO and ODN had (apart form the current one) was GW3, if AUT means that treaty i fail to see how we did wrong in that instance...we did afterall march to war side by side with the Legion in that conflict.

I mean TheAUT is posting here for christ sake, him of all people...After he appears the thread is basically a joke.

awww don't be so mean to AUT :P

...thanks for the well wishes Comrade B)

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Ohh the GATO angle, i failed to notice AUT mentioned them (bad eyes on my part), i thought the last treaty GATO and ODN had (apart form the current one) was GW3, if AUT means that treaty i fail to see how we did wrong in that instance...we did afterall march to war side by side with the Legion in that conflict.

Since GW III, ODN has always sought the stronger side. Last second cancellations that spawned such decisions leads me to believe so. The "mistakes of WalkerNinja" are forgiven? And the mistakes of Slayer? Why are they not forgiven? Your FA has been based on self-preservation rather than true friendship and until I see the ODN stand and fight for its allies only then will I get off your backs about this issue. Abandoning Polaris and "suspending" a Blood Brother's pact at the last minute seems to be a poor move on your behalf yet again. If you want to say it was the right move then I want to see you guys die by your allies next war, and not change your stars the eve of the battle like you've done the previous two wars.

And if IRON were such a mistake to ally with, why'd they support you during your incident with VE? That's my opinion, I hope Arsenal can bring back some integrity to the ODN and have a treaty really mean something more than a title.

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Considering I still have this scar in my back from a certain action taken by ODN a couple of months ago, you'll have to understand why I won't wish ODN well.

Good luck MCXA. You're likely better off for this cancellation.

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Since GW III, ODN has always sought the stronger side. Last second cancellations that spawned such decisions leads me to believe so. The "mistakes of WalkerNinja" are forgiven? And the mistakes of Slayer? Why are they not forgiven? Your FA has been based on self-preservation rather than true friendship and until I see the ODN stand and fight for its allies only then will I get off your backs about this issue. Abandoning Polaris and "suspending" a Blood Brother's pact at the last minute seems to be a poor move on your behalf yet again. If you want to say it was the right move then I want to see you guys die by your allies next war, and not change your stars the eve of the battle like you've done the previous two wars.

And if IRON were such a mistake to ally with, why'd they support you during your incident with VE? That's my opinion, I hope Arsenal can bring back some integrity to the ODN and have a treaty really mean something more than a title.

How come Arsenal gets all the props -_- some of us also possess integrity...

Anyway i disagree that we have always sought the stronger side with GW3 (yes that old chestnut) being but one example. None of the errors of Walker have been forgiven, one only has to see the relative silence form most of Bob that greets our various forays onto the BB's or the strident criticism we elicit no matter what to realize that (his erorrs are our burden)...as for Slayers errors i think your in the wrong thread to discuss that subject, its really not my place to comment on his own situation.

I for one have no issue you being on our back (your just one of many dear boy), it amuses me that you convey this sense of superior morality than any of us, is your own personal history really that much better than my own? or are you simply using 'you' in the collective sense (i am a little slow today so bear with me, post-weekend syndrome) and am i simply getting the wrong end of the stick?.

Your opinion is valued AUT believe me because its people such as yourself that remind me how much further we must go to restore our once good name and as you put it restore some integrity, whether you agree with the decision to cut Blood Borthers or not the fact remains that we had to choose in the run up to the Karma war, some within ODN (incl. myself) already had a partisan agenda to move ODN away from 1V and it was a campagin on that platform that swung ODN as a community to choosing Vanguard, International and RnR hence my refusal to see it as a bad decision (jesus man i campaigned for it, how could i see it as wrong). And unlike the Polaris incident this decision was achieved by building consensus over a number of weeks prior to the Karma war...the war just happened to give the anti-1V campaign a boost so to speak.

IRON as an ally was a mistake, a mistake of previous administrations and not of any administration i have served in. Its this inability of you to distinguish between the clear difference in outlook between say Walkerninja and his clique and the govt has held sway since his departure (Haflinger: the walker era ended when he departed) that leads to you drawing such conclusions. I am a partisan for Karma and i make no bones about that fact, and i have enough motive for such an outlook based on my experiences in CN since 2006.

I can assure you AUT that come what may we will die when destiny demands our sacrifice, until that time you and i will have to remain at odds but i sincerely hope that one day in the future we can show to you and others that dispise us that we are aware of our faults and we are eager to amend the errors of our predecessor/s. I for one relish that day and look forward to sacrificing my own nation for ODN's greater benefit.

Salaam Aleikum AUT,

Cata.

Considering I still have this scar in my back from a certain action taken by ODN a couple of months ago, you'll have to understand why I won't wish ODN well.

Good luck MCXA. You're likely better off for this cancellation.

Well i have a scar on my back from IRON's part in the GATO-1V war and the ICP reformation war back in the day, so perhaps you will understand why i feel little sympathy for you ;)

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Considering I still have this scar in my back from a certain action taken by ODN a couple of months ago, you'll have to understand why I won't wish ODN well.

Good luck MCXA. You're likely better off for this cancellation.

Coming from the king of the coward coalition himself. I lol'ed.

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Since GW III, ODN has always sought the stronger side. Last second cancellations that spawned such decisions leads me to believe so. The "mistakes of WalkerNinja" are forgiven? And the mistakes of Slayer? Why are they not forgiven? Your FA has been based on self-preservation rather than true friendship and until I see the ODN stand and fight for its allies only then will I get off your backs about this issue. Abandoning Polaris and "suspending" a Blood Brother's pact at the last minute seems to be a poor move on your behalf yet again. If you want to say it was the right move then I want to see you guys die by your allies next war, and not change your stars the eve of the battle like you've done the previous two wars.

And if IRON were such a mistake to ally with, why'd they support you during your incident with VE? That's my opinion, I hope Arsenal can bring back some integrity to the ODN and have a treaty really mean something more than a title.

Who said the past mistakes were forgotten? If anything, the reactions to most ODN announcements indicate the ODN, even sans WalkerNinja, are not the flavour of the week.

In any case, I sincerely doubt ODN does anything to satisfy you and your basic knowledge of the situation. Be on their back trolling all you want, I believe they'll survive.

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Anyway, Arsenal, I can see clear in your game. You're just cancelling all the treaties I signed. It's a conspiracy! >_<

Well, I was actually taking aim at Dio's treaties, but I can get yours as well. ;)

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Haflinger: the walker era ended when he departed

Arguably.

However, this treaty is certainly an artifact of that era. There's now only one of the old One Vision-ODN treaties left standing, and I have a feeling it's not going to get cancelled. Which is extraordinarily ironic, to say the least.

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An ODN bashing that I wasn't invited to? Oh well.

At least this is one more line being erased, and for that I am glad.

!@#$ !@#$ !@#$, did that invitation not get sent out? Somebody is going to be fired for this I tell you!

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