Sabcat Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Nemhauser' timestamp='1294268328' post='2564834'] You'd know if you'd read.[/quote] I have read it, the op doesn't explicitly state who presented the evidence to you, just that TGE was acting against the union between your two alliances. If it was TGE then the rest of it seems a bit paranoid. If they were out to get you then surely they would have posted here rather than approaching you. Doesn't make much sense to me. [quote name='Nemhauser' timestamp='1294268328' post='2564834'] Another example of 'missing the point'. The odal has nothing to do with it. [/quote] I'd have thought it was rather pertinent to your current situation and obvious distress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='CnaedmacAilpn' timestamp='1294269170' post='2564860'] You were also clear about the fact that your alliance connections were linked directly to Stormfront when you signed up with Nordreich and that no objections came from them.[/quote] Interesting. Musso told me he didn't even knew what SF was. [quote name='CnaedmacAilpn' timestamp='1294269170' post='2564860']I agree that perhaps we were a little tardy about releasing information, however we did expect an Alliance with Nordreich's history to be aware of such abbreviations, titles and links, also we wanted irrefutable proof first. [/quote] TGE was in possession of this evidence for many months and gave it to us less than two days after we signed with them. [quote name='CnaedmacAilpn' timestamp='1294269170' post='2564860']So TGE wholeheartedly apologises for not not telling, spelling and pointing out in minute detail that a NS nation or a ruler called Germania88 may be bad or that openly advertised links to stormfront could cause embarrassment to any protector and that fascists may not necessarily be the politically correct people wanted by Nordreich.[/quote] Don't patronize us, Wilhelm. You know very well we don't care about political correctness, but that we do feel certain elements have no place on Planet Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeyrox Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='CnaedmacAilpn' timestamp='1294269170' post='2564860'] Yet you still have this individual [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=430115"]WITH ns[/url] in his name, which of course is the abbreviation for National Socialism. [/quote] I honestly wouldn't have known that NS stands for national socialism, so I don't think its fair to say that just because someone has Germania in their name, and the initials NS, that he should have necessarily known what it meant. [quote] You were also clear about the fact that your alliance connections were linked directly to Stormfront when you signed up with Nordreich and that no objections came from them. [/quote] What do you mean by this exactly (I am unclear as to the wording). If you mean to say his site or IRC connect to stormfront, well, I have been in both and I can say I never saw a link to it, or ever herad of Stormfront before reading this thread. Or if mean to say that his alliance was somehow founded in conjunction with efforts on SF, it was actually a merger between two previously existing alliances, IR, and RE. If you meant to say something completely different, I apologize for misinterpreting and would appreciate some clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander thrawn Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='CnaedmacAilpn' timestamp='1294269170' post='2564860'] Interesting Mussolini, last night you spilled the beans and put certain people in a very bad light, now you attempt to save face. Well, you were the one who admitted you knew from the outset that certain people were from Stormfront, but thought it was only a 'nationalist site. Part of the deal was you would remove those that were part of stormfront. Yet you still have this individual [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=430115"]WITH ns[/url] in his name, which of course is the abbreviation for National Socialism. You were also clear about the fact that your alliance connections were linked directly to Stormfront when you signed up with Nordreich and that no objections came from them. I agree that perhaps we were a little tardy about releasing information, however we did expect an Alliance with Nordreich's history to be aware of such abbreviations, titles and links, also we wanted irrefutable proof first. So TGE wholeheartedly apologises for not not telling, spelling and pointing out in minute detail that a NS nation or a ruler called Germania88 may be bad or that openly advertised links to stormfront could cause embarrassment to any protector and that fascists may not necessarily be the politically correct people wanted by Nordreich. Either way I thoroughly enjoyed both our conversation and the logs that transpired thereof. [/quote] Please explain to me where you have any right to impose your will on TKoI. They are a sovereign alliance, also I feel I need to point out that being a Nazi, White Supremacist etc while despicable is perfectly legal and protected with free speech rights. If you actually cared you would have taken real action against them rather than using this as a political cugel against Nordreich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1294267871' post='2564818'] Have I got this right, TGE knew about this and said nothing but then planned to to discredit Nordreich?[/quote] Yes you have. [quote] How do Nordreich know this?[/quote] Ahh....good question. And this answer is: 'past experience'. You see, back when NoR was re-founded, TGE's Kaiser attempted to dictate who could and could not belong to the alliance and its government. Then, not long after I stepped down as Kaiser, it was discovered that a certain individual was spying on Nordreich. Several months later, this same spy attempted to coup a Nordreich protectorate, was expelled from said protectorate, joined TGE and was installed in their government [b]the same damn day[/b]. Nothing suspicious about that, right? Amazingly, although Nordreich approached both FOK and INT about this last incident, one individual who harbors a four-year grudge against Nordland insisted that this was all an elaborate plot on our part to go to war with TGE, INT or both. He of course ignored (or perhaps was unaware of) the fact that Nordreich had approached all of our 'traditional' adversaries before reforming, making it clear that we had no intention of re-hashing years-old drama. (Indeed, as an act of good faith, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=59685"]not long after reforming we worked with both INT and LSF[/url] to deal with spies and agents provocateurs in our midst.) Before our reformation we approached TGE with an open hand. Not only did they slap that away, but through their scheming they have repeatedly shown themselves to be a discredit to their allies, all of whom I respect btw. Anyway.... The intriguing part is that the information TGE presented to Nordreich clearly shows that they knew about this while tied to TKoI, but waited until said alliance was tied to Nordreich before showing off logs to various people. All of this shows that TGE continues to scheme like a group of brain-damaged vandals; the kind who would vandalize your car by scratching their name and phone number into the paint. My condolences to FOK, INT and WAPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl I Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Bah always about the damn Nazis and crap btwn these two... getting SO OLD and BORING!! EDIT: so where are these so called logs? everyone so fondly speaks off... Edited January 5, 2011 by Karl I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Adam Suttler' timestamp='1294269260' post='2564864'] I know nothing of this blackmail attempt, and would again reiterate that such an action could not be the fault of the entire alliance, but the individual(s) that initiated such a deplorable action, in which case some name-dropping would be great right about now. I'd just like to point out that had it not been for these idiotic squabbles between our alliances (generally due to extenuating circumstances and lapses of reason), relations would be in a different place right now. In other words, things need not continue in such animosity, and I, for one, would like to move off of this deathly collision course. [/quote] I think your government knows who gave us the logs, he's even gov himself. And yes, I agree. Without all the stuff that happened in the past year, NoR and TGE could've gotten closer together. In fact, it did when Martens and K-Fred settled their old fued. But then other stuff happened and, well, everything went downhill from there. My stance on TGE has gone from [i]neutral/moving towards slightly positive[/i] to [i]strongly dislike[/i] during my period as Reichskaiser. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that some members from TGE that visit our boards are friendly in our faces, but that those same individuals have said to others to avoid Nordreich because we're a bunch of... you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolini the Great Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) [quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1294269928' post='2564884'] Please explain to me where you have any right to impose your will on TKoI. They are a sovereign alliance, also I feel I need to point out that being a Nazi, White Supremacist etc while despicable is perfectly legal and protected with free speech rights. If you actually cared you would have taken real action against them rather than using this as a political cugel against Nordreich. [/quote] This. It's such a disgusting double standard, isnt it? (OCC): Communism killed hundreds of millions of people. Nazism killed but a few million. I am not trying to defend Nazism, just pointing out the obvious.. Again, this is NOT in any way defending Nazism, or any ideology, nor is it the official opinion of TKoI, but mine alone. Yet, certian alliances entire theme can be made into communism, yet, when alligations of Nazism even hit the table, crap hits the fan. ( no offense to INT or FC. I <3 you lolololol). Edited January 5, 2011 by Mussolini the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnish Commie Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Mussolini the Great' timestamp='1294270260' post='2564893'] This. It's such a disgusting double standard, isnt it? (OCC): Communism killed hundreds of millions of people. Nazism killed but a few million. I am not trying to defend Nazism, just pointing out the obvious.. Yet, certian alliances entire theme can be made into communism, yet, when alligations of Nazism even hit the table, $h@t hits the fan. ( no offense to INT or FC. I <3 you lolololol). [/quote] Well our theme isn't actually communist, although that is a common misconception. We are an alliance that unites wide spectrum of lefties from anarchists to stalinists (and we make them sit in the corner). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Finnish Commie' timestamp='1294270466' post='2564896'] Well our theme isn't actually communist, although that is a common misconception. We are an alliance that unites wide spectrum of lefties from anarchists to stalinists (and we make them sit in the corner). [/quote] But we can still call you lolcommies, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnish Commie Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Nemhauser' timestamp='1294270622' post='2564898'] But we can still call you lolcommies, right? [/quote] Any time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeyrox Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Finnish Commie' timestamp='1294270466' post='2564896'] anarchists to stalinists (and we make them sit in the corner). [/quote] But do you make them undergo the comfy chair? Only by doing so, can you truly show that you disapprove of those types Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned-You Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Honestly, I've always wanted to burn TGE. NoR, if you ever have the inclination...which you should rightfully have it. Call me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnLimited Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Owned-You' timestamp='1294270775' post='2564904'] Honestly, I've always wanted to burn TGE. NoR, if you ever have the inclination...which you should rightfully have it. Call me. [/quote] Still having the same number? also lol TGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AironthFlamewing Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I've had my own issues with TGE from the past- but beyond all that skulking around in cloak and dagger. I thought TGE had some form of perverted honor left remaining to its tattered self but I guess that's all gone. TGE you have hit a new low of scummy lows with this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Peters Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Really? TGE now is holding secrets from members once again? What a surprise to find out that a former Senator never knew this wile he was in office. Shame on you TGE! SHAME ON YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) It feels like I fell asleep last night and woke up in 2008. Are we still engaging in witch hunts over people's extra-curricular activities? I'm not sure I have the stamina to go through all that again. Nonetheless, I'm very interested in the claims of blackmail (or if not exactly blackmail then something like it). If any Nordreich government officials feel like sharing the details, I'd love to have a private chat. -Craig Edited January 5, 2011 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Adam Suttler' timestamp='1294268450' post='2564839'] I'm not the best person suited to talk about this situation. I recently came back from a 4-month hiatus for school studies, and cannot give an accurate rendition of what has happened here. [/quote] Buddy, let me stop you here. I hope you take these words seriously. When you come back and have no idea what's going on. It's better not to comment about the situation as you will usually put your foot into your mouth. I know you don't want to have TGE stand all alone in this but, you need to find out what's going on first. I hope you take that advise seriously. o/ NoR We always have your back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Nordreich once again shows its mettle as one of the more classy alliances out there. Well handled and excellently delivered gentlemen. TGE, on the other hand simply continues its theme of general ineptitude. Again, well done NoR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultus ferox Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 [quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1294271678' post='2564934'] It feels like I fell asleep last night and woke up in 2008. Are we still engaging in witch hunts over people's extra-curricular activities? I'm not sure I have the stamina to go through all that again.[/quote] I agree, we should put this behind us and carry on in 2011, a new year, new peoples, new friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 This is a blast from the past. Without Slayer here, I don't think anyone really cares anymore about Stormfront. I imagine there's more to this but... [quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1294266409' post='2564775'] TGE.......anyone suprised they did nothing? Im not. TGE 'doin it wrong since inception!' [/quote] Sad thing is that it didn't always used to be that way. They started going downhill pretty quickly in August 2008. Good luck to K-Fred regardless, I know how much TGE means to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1294271678' post='2564934'] It feels like I fell asleep last night and woke up in 2008. Are we still engaging in witch hunts over people's extra-curricular activities? I'm not sure I have the stamina to go through all that again. [/quote] Let us be clear on this. This is not a witch hunt. Yes, Nordreich is acting upon information of an "off-world" nature, but the extent of our actions ends with this cancellation. And as stated in the OP, we wish all those not implicated in the evidence good luck and prosperity in whatever path they choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1294271678' post='2564934'] It feels like I fell asleep last night and woke up in 2008. Are we still engaging in witch hunts over people's extra-curricular activities? I'm not sure I have the stamina to go through all that again.[/quote] Neither do I, Craig. Neither do I. As our MoFA has said, our involvement in this is now concluded. [quote]Nonetheless, I'm very interested in the claims of blackmail (or if not exactly blackmail then something like it). If any Nordreich government officials feel like sharing the details, I'd love to have a private chat.[/quote] While I have known about the substance of this for a few days now, I did not take part in any of the conversations surrounding this particular event. (One of the perqs of being an ex-Kaiser, I suppose. You get briefed on things but don't really have to [u]do[/u] anything.) I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Zeppelin(?) may be the person who can fill you in. Our Kaiser is probably already in bed. (And if he isn't, he should be! tsk tsk tsk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 lol, good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1294273945' post='2564993'] lol, good one! [/quote] When I see you post I expect more than "lol, good one!" I expect a paragraph of intelligent analysis. You let me down Schatt, you let me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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