r00tn00b Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1289292197' post='2507775'] I considered his attack justified because you allow your members to do the same to other alliance around our size, you guys should treat others how you expect to be treated and there is a reason a lot of people dislike you guys but don't care about other alliances which allow tech raiding. The main one is you guys raiding micro alliances and making it part of policy. [/quote] If we were a 15 or fewer man alliance, this statement would be fine. We aren't and you are just grasping at straws. I would have no objection to being raided if I were not smart enough to seek the protection of a large alliance with the means to defend me against the big bads. I am glad for this change I think we needed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Good to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='r00tn00b' timestamp='1289295338' post='2507819'] If we were a 15 or fewer man alliance, this statement would be fine. We aren't and you are just grasping at straws. I would have no objection to being raided if I were not smart enough to seek the protection of a large alliance with the means to defend me against the big bads. I am glad for this change I think we needed it. [/quote] Going by that same line of logic you should have no objection to being raided for not being smart of enough to join an alliance that doesn't raid other alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tn00b Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1289296052' post='2507830'] Going by that same line of logic you should have no objection to being raided for not being smart of enough to join an alliance that doesn't raid other alliances. [/quote] That would have required me to say something along the those lines, which I didn't. Again grasping at straws here Methrage. We aren't the only raiding alliance, and now with this change, have some of the strictest raiding policies on planet bob. Why aren't you crusading on anyone else. As much as you claim to be a "freedom fighter" you are just prejudiced against GOONS. Plain and simple, Please stop trying to use the thread as another soap box for you to scream atop of. No one is listening any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Awesome. This makes iFOK the most evil alliance in PB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tn00b Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289297071' post='2507839'] Awesome. This makes iFOK the most evil alliance in PB. [/quote] Only until MK joins then you'll need to extort smaller alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='r00tn00b' timestamp='1289297150' post='2507841'] Only until MK joins then you'll need to extort smaller alliances. [/quote] I have faith in the power of the VEto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironfist Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='r00tn00b' timestamp='1289295338' post='2507819'] If we were a 15 or fewer man alliance, this statement would be fine. We aren't and you are just grasping at straws.[b] I would have no objection to being raided if I were not smart enough to seek the protection of a large alliance[/b] with the means to defend me against the big bads. I am glad for this change I think we needed it. [/quote] I think if you were a new member who didn't know what a "big alliance" was, and only knew how to change their AA, you wouldn't be saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tn00b Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1289299206' post='2507859'] I think if you were a new member who didn't know what a "big alliance" was, and only knew how to change their AA, you wouldn't be saying that. [/quote] (ooc)FAQ's and forums exist for a reason.(/occ) Ignorance is only an excuse for the ignorant. Edited November 9, 2010 by r00tn00b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironfist Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='r00tn00b' timestamp='1289299640' post='2507863'] (ooc)FAQ's and forums exist for a reason.(/occ) Ignorance is only an excuse for the ignorant. [/quote] It's hardly ignorance. It's learning. Though regardless, I commend GOONS leadership for doing [i]something [/i]that will control their raiding masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Well, this should help cut down on violations of your policy, so long as those who were stupid enough to not follow it before don't continue to ignore it. [img]http://imgur.com/PYU3Q.gif[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Good stuff; congrats on the new policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenacres Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289281184' post='2507364'] [center][img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/negativeman-55f.png[/img] I'm unemployed![/center] I'm glad that GOONS has given thoughtful consideration to cleaning-/tightening-up its front-end policies, which will hopefully reduce after-the-fact messes that have defined GOONS's reputation. Hopefully, enforcement will be present, evenly applied, and followed-through to reinforce compliance. [/quote] Defined their reputation to you and a handful of other loudmouths, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendoftheSkies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1289268971' post='2506961'] Permission first is a very good idea. [/quote] I think it's a shame, but I can see the need for it given that not everyone thinks to actually check to make sure their target isn't protected, especially the newbies (of which GOONS gets quite a few from recruiting from SA). Hopefully this helps limit the number of headaches GOONS' gov has to deal with. Good luck dudes. Edited November 9, 2010 by LegendoftheSkies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaarlaamp Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) Nooo GOONS Why change a good thing? Now you can't use the 'sorry that was just a dumb member'-excuse anymore.. Good thing the iFOK policy doesn't change. Edited November 9, 2010 by Spaarlaamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaric Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 a step in the [b]right[/b] direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emphix Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 definitely a step in the right direction. o/ GOONS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenacres Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Emphix' timestamp='1289315846' post='2508041'] definitely a step in the right direction. o/ GOONS [/quote] Are you implying that they were headed in the wrong direction to begin with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emphix Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 no need to imply anything actually. Just that the decision is a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 GOONS' monthly raiding incidents were already pretty low. This should bring them down to zero. Good job guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udelar Johnson Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1289292197' post='2507775'] I considered his attack justified because you allow your members to do the same to other alliance around our size, you guys should treat others how you expect to be treated and there is a reason a lot of people dislike you guys but don't care about other alliances which allow tech raiding. The main one is you guys raiding micro alliances and making it part of policy. [/quote] Your dislike of us is noted. Now keep paying your tech like a good boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1289299206' post='2507859'] I think if you were a new member who didn't know what a "big alliance" was, and only knew how to change their AA, you wouldn't be saying that. [/quote] If you want to find the information it's not that hard. Newbies either join and ghost MHA or someone else on the default list or sit on None. There's a "doesn't know any better" period people go through I'm sure, but if you actually load up the forums or join one of those alliances that people are spamming you about, you should learn a few things. If someone joins and immediately joins a sub-15 AA because they don't know any better, that's someone else's fault. By saying "Hey come join me, I just made this new alliance." Besides which, if they're just goofing off on None/some micro with people who don't know any better, and don't have any tech, we have no reason to tech raid them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 You are immoral and terrible creatures GOONS. *goes to read* Never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sal Paradise' timestamp='1289292239' post='2507778'] So what exactly was the old policy again? [/quote] Essentially what it now is, minus the first two provisions requiring permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightningjim Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sal Paradise' timestamp='1289292239' post='2507778'] So what exactly was the old policy again? [/quote] Raids didn't have to be approved. Otherwise the raiding guidelines are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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