Announcement from Dark Fist

[Lollipops n Rainbows]

This is actually a pretty good parody of the other thread, threatened war > 'do something about it' > pretend it's a joke etc.. Not entirely sure if SCM did it on purpose, if he did then props it was executed pretty much to perfection. I have a funny feeling though that this, much like Dopp's initial post, wasn't really a joke and that this was also just a stupid mistake except this one has a hidden hilarity.

Either way even giving you the benefit of the doubt in that this was planned in how it turned out, most CNers are pretty immune to humour in general and you probably should have just left it at the other thread where NSO looked bad.

[Captain Flinders]

There is some snappy logic there. I'd have thought solid evidence was in order when trying to accuse someone of an act like that. I guess the burden of evidence is lightened when it is someone you dislike being accused.

I don't particularly dislike the NSO and I'm not even saying they should be blamed. I'm just saying that you cannot deny the obvious and high likelihood that is was an NSO member. The burden of evidence still stands and is likely the reason DF has chosen not to attack or pursue attacking procedures against NSO.

[Il Impero Romano]

So, your only real issue is the allegation that Starcraftmaster has no evidence to support? Speculating who did it and treating that person (and those in their alliance by association) as guilty without evidence is probably a better example of a poor show, in my opinion.

The standard of proof entirely depends on the cause of action being sought. Here, since he had no aim aside from complaining, the circumstantial evidence is more than enough to validate his complaint as plausible. If he did wish to declare war however, I would say a much higher standard of proof would be need to be established through some sort of direct causation/evidence.

As hes not declaring war, the lack of direct evidence really need not be considered in a negative light...but then again the thread need not be created if hes not declaring war :x

[Alterego]

I don't particularly dislike the NSO and I'm not even saying they should be blamed. I'm just saying that you cannot deny the obvious and high likelihood that is was an NSO member. The burden of evidence still stands and is likely the reason DF has chosen not to attack or pursue attacking procedures against NSO.

There's more than one way to attack someone. This is an attack on NSO.

Edited December 22, 2009 by Alterego

[nutkase]

The burden of evidence still stands and is likely the reason DF has chosen not to attack or pursue attacking procedures against NSO.

Then the OP has no merit other then being a cry session.

I would really enjoy it if NSO come back with a DoW for defamation

[Alterego]

Then the OP has no merit other then being a cry session.

I would really enjoy it if NSO come back with a DoW for defamation

To defame a Sith alliance you have to say they are good guys.

[Tromp]

The one who posted the forum link on /b/ is pretty pathetic imho.

As for NSO, all I can say is 'lol'.

[nutkase]

To defame a Sith alliance you have to say they are good guys.

Whenever the time has come that I have had needed to of spoken to a Sith, they have always been very polite and helpful.

So maybe its the way you want to see them.

Also you don't need to be a good guy to be defamed!

[Tygaland]

The standard of proof entirely depends on the cause of action being sought. Here, since he had no aim aside from complaining, the circumstantial evidence is more than enough to validate his complaint as plausible. If he did wish to declare war however, I would say a much higher standard of proof would be need to be established through some sort of direct causation/evidence.

As hes not declaring war, the lack of direct evidence really need not be considered in a negative light...but then again the thread need not be created if hes not declaring war :x

I'm fairly sure that if you are casting aspersions over a person's or group's character you would require evidence to support your claims. This is outside of any war declaration or lackthereof.

The issue here is that some are passing judgement on a member of the NSO and/or the NSO as an alliance based on no evidence whatsoever. If solid evidence is found and a culprit identified I'll join you all in condemning them for their stupidity. But, as it stands, we just have a half-baked accusation inserted at the end of some meaningless jabbering from IRC channels which to me does not show any wrongdoing by the NSO at all.

I don't particularly dislike the NSO and I'm not even saying they should be blamed. I'm just saying that you cannot deny the obvious and high likelihood that is was an NSO member. The burden of evidence still stands and is likely the reason DF has chosen not to attack or pursue attacking procedures against NSO.

It is just as highly likely that a member of The Dark Fist or an ally made the porn/gore requests to stitch up the NSO. Both scenarios have the same supporting evidence, that is, none.

[Alterego]

Whenever the time has come that I have had needed to of spoken to a Sith, they have always been very polite and helpful.

So maybe its the way you want to see them.

Also you don't need to be a good guy to be defamed!

You missed it and I don't mean the bus.

[hizzy]

Oh my lord, Nancy (that's you, SCM), for a second there I thought I took a wrong turn at Whine Ave. and ended up in Estrogen Town.

I love that part where you actually DID spam your own channel. Apparently having 4 members from another alliance drop by got you all shook up in such a frenzy that you seizured out and kept slamming your face against the keyboard generating the same 4 words a dozen times.

I am curious though... you say " they remembered that they only fight wars where they outnumber the opposition by a lot"... it begs the question... when was the last time NSO started a war? mmhmm... and what were the circumstances there? Right...

But go ahead and laugh at NSO for making a random threat in a joke thread.... you only created a brand spanking new thread to cry and tell the whole wide world how you feel about those meanies. You're not at all like them. Come here sweetheart, you'll be fine, cry it out.

Edited December 22, 2009 by hizzy

[The Big Bad]

So pretty much you came here to cry and boo hoo and you have nothing to back it up other than maybe it was NSO? The fact that you know you have nothing to back it us is proven by the fact you have done nothing about other then come here and flail about helplessly. Well ain't this a big bag of stupid. Well done on making yourself not only look a like a NSO stalker (something they no doubt love) but also just coming off as completely desperate for attention. You don't like NSO, we get it, come up with something half way decent and maybe someone will care.

[Captain Flinders]

It is just as highly likely that a member of The Dark Fist or an ally made the porn/gore requests to stitch up the NSO. Both scenarios have the same supporting evidence, that is, none.

They may have the same amount of solid evidence but I don't see them as having the same likelihood. Those in Darkfist likely knew that without proper evidence, the response of the community would not be a favorable one and therefore would not have set the whole situation up themselves to harvest an unfavorable outcome.

[deSouza]

I had no idea it was possible to do moral outage wrong.

Say hello to Starcraftmazer.

Good show, SCM, good show.

(this was sarcasm. I fell like I have to explain it to you after reading this)

[Svetovlad]

If NSO really was serious about the threat, they would've DoW'd by now, wouldn't you think?

Let the big boys handle the politics. No need for others to get involved at this day and age.

Just my two cents worth.

[popsumpot]

Despite the fact that Darkfist has conducted themselves in an incredibly idiotic manner, I really didn't think the "do something about it" was necessary.

[Tygaland]

They may have the same amount of solid evidence but I don't see them as having the same likelihood. Those in Darkfist likely knew that without proper evidence, the response of the community would not be a favorable one and therefore would not have set the whole situation up themselves to harvest an unfavorable outcome.

Well likelihood is neither here nor there, it is speculation. I could well have been someone in neither the NSO or The Dark Fist. So, while you seem happy to lay blame on NSO with zero evidence, I'll reserve my judgement until solid evidence is produced.

[Captain Flinders]

Well likelihood is neither here nor there, it is speculation. I could well have been someone in neither the NSO or The Dark Fist. So, while you seem happy to lay blame on NSO with zero evidence, I'll reserve my judgement until solid evidence is produced.

I already said I wasn't blaming anyone. But many posts have been very harsh towards DF while ignoring the high likelihood of them being right. I'm just calling a spade a spade while everyone freaks out and enjoys their shots around me.

[Style #386]

Colour me baffled.

[CylonNL]

*Sigh.

SCM is on a smear campaign again.

It's none of your business.

Oh well, holliday drama is never a bad thing.

[Dochartaigh]

I already said I wasn't blaming anyone. But many posts have been very harsh towards DF while ignoring the high likelihood of them being right. I'm just calling a spade a spade while everyone freaks out and enjoys their shots around me.

the issue is that the likelihood is equal that it was also DF or one of DF's allies who did it as it is that it was an NSO member. i do believe that is not what you are getting and what Tyga is talkin about. with no evidence other than a timeframe, anyone in that room is essentially suspect as well as basically anyone not in that room.

heck, with the amount of evidence, myself, you, and Tyga could technically be suspects until actually ruled out. the other issue is, it was not only NSO that was called out but a specific person. that to me, makes this whole thing even more suspect since DF tried to single out a single person without a shred of proof.

shoot, someone that SCM knew happened to be on /b/ at the exact time that youwish supposed had just happened to post the link to DF's forums...... that is way to convenient for me. so frankly, to me, it is far more likely given the circumstantial evidence presented here that it was SCM or someone from DF or an ally that posted the link since it just so happened they knew someone who just so happened to be on /b/ when that link was posted.

[Mathias]

SCM, we know you think NSO should be destroyed. I'm not one to use the "do something about it" argument, but if they did what you claim then attack them. You're no better than they are if you're all talk and no action. Don't give me that "I don't declare war for OOC actions," because then this whole topic has no place on this forum. If you're going to stand up for yourself, stand up for yourself.

[Tygaland]

I already said I wasn't blaming anyone. But many posts have been very harsh towards DF while ignoring the high likelihood of them being right. I'm just calling a spade a spade while everyone freaks out and enjoys their shots around me.

You are implying they are guilty without coming out and saying it. Which is your call, I suppose. As I said, I'd prefer more concrete evidence was at hand before making public accusations such as this. It reeks of someone throwing mud and hoping a little sticks.

[SpoiL]

You count Doppel's post as a threat, I count it as his polite way of asking you to control your member.

Youwish was toying with you-irrelevant.

Log dump of your channel says nothing-irrelevant.

Are you saying that NSO condones posting porn on other people's forums? Is that what you're saying?

[shahenshah]

Greetings,

If OP had any solid CB, I'm sure he'd have the balls to start the war already instead of 'Do something about it'

Best of Regards,

Shah.