Azaghul Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 To: Azaghul From: panfilo Date: 11/24/2009 10:58:56 PM Subject: Unescorted Bombing Attack Report Message: An unescorted aircraft bombing run has been launched against your nation by panfilo. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 20 attacking bombers. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 IC: You put Sir Glen into anarchy, a decommissioned nation paying reparations to your allies, and did the following damage: I don't believe he's in MK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I don't believe he's in MK. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember him posting his resignation or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Stalin Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 To: Azaghul From: panfilo Date: 11/24/2009 10:58:56 PMSubject: Unescorted Bombing Attack Report Message: An unescorted aircraft bombing run has been launched against your nation by panfilo. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 20 attacking bombers. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. Forgot to send his fighters in I see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember him posting his resignation or something. Weak. Alliances apologizing or paying reparations for their rogues has happened before. Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already. Absolutely not. Not until his nation is deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already. This line of thinking held true until we started getting people like Ender Land who "quit", quit, retired for a bit, quit politics, stopped playing the game etc. etc. all the while maintaining their nations ready for use when they decide to participate again. Because of people like that, a ruler can now no longer leave the IC world until their nation physically no longer exists. Edited November 25, 2009 by Aimee Mann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 If Az doesn't actually quit, then feel free to bring the politics back into it. (At which point I'd join the morality brigade and so on.) But when someone's leaving the game it doesn't make sense to criticise them based on IC political structures – they just want to light up the sky and have some fun on the way out. Lol at Panfilo's airstrike (though it wouldn't surprise me if TOP told him to do that for laughs ) and paying 11 days of bills with no LCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altheus Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already. No he's not. Deleting your nation is being "effectively outisde the IC world". Nuke rogueing is being a very active participant of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 There's a big difference between 'participating in the game' and being a part of the IC political system. Those unaligned newbies who raid each other and never join an alliance are participating in the game, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazymatty Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Maybe i missed it, but does anyone else think it odd he hasn't been sanctioned yet? Still has all his trades. Anyhow...Good luck sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altheus Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 There's a big difference between 'participating in the game' and being a part of the IC political system. Those unaligned newbies who raid each other and never join an alliance are participating in the game, too. The two are the same, he's interacting IC with the alliances he's attacking, ergo he's part of the IC political system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 This thread has helped me understand why Panfilo does all he can to avoid war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Maybe i missed it, but does anyone else think it odd he hasn't been sanctioned yet? Still has all his trades.Anyhow...Good luck sir! As I said in the OP, all my trades are secret and I'm using my aid slots to send tech/money to MK. All sanctioning would do is keep me from sending away money/tech, which would only increase the amount of damage I end up doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Well have good rogue days, that panfilo guy look like a real !@#$%^&. Also i liked your post, they were intelligent altough usually i didn't agree with them, so sad to see you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 he's interacting IC with the alliances he's attacking Is he? It looks to me like he's just attacking people in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Good luck dude IRL, I will miss you in the MK embassy on the TOP forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Oh for the love of God. Think of the children! You're a monster, Azaghul. There's a circle in hell reserved just for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WcaesarD Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Hey man, have fun in RL, and it's sad to see you go. Enjoy the wars in the meantime. Make sure you update your nuke stats in the sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonknight1000 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) it's a bummer you're quitting CN (though definitely understandable if RL's too much) only time I've seen you apart from the OWF is when you diplo at TOOL for a little while (back in summer 2008 where TOOL/MK when racing each other in score, good times heck I think the race resumed recently - the cycle continues) take care and good luck (and I won't say anything on the rouge business: not my problem) how does an 80k nationn only have 300 million in their WC? thats really laughable actually. I won't comment on this very much (though even my warchest's bigger than his ) edit: forgot something Edited November 25, 2009 by dragonknight1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixoux Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 The two are the same, he's interacting IC with the alliances he's attacking, ergo he's part of the IC political system. Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this? Regardless of whether or not he's still considered IC, he's not actually making an impact on any of the alliances outside of some slightly lower stats for the respected parties. He isn't chatting with their gov and sharing state secrets, provoking a global war, or even writing a damn treaty. Once he runs out of nukes and his nation is finally subdued, that'll be the end of him. Then panfilo and the others will eventually rebuild and the rest of planet bob will have continued doing the exact same thing they were doing before, but with one less nation in the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this? Regardless of whether or not he's still considered IC, he's not actually making an impact on any of the alliances outside of some slightly lower stats for the respected parties. He isn't chatting with their gov and sharing state secrets, provoking a global war, or even writing a damn treaty. Once he runs out of nukes and his nation is finally subdued, that'll be the end of him. Then panfilo and the others will eventually rebuild and the rest of planet bob will have continued doing the exact same thing they were doing before, but with one less nation in the population. I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with a GOD member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 how does an 80k nationn only have 300 million in their WC? thats really laughable actually. Not even close to the worst. Days in Peace Mode: 1 Days Desired Religion: None Desired Government: Transitional Threat Level: Low Number of Spies: 550 Last Nuke Purchase: 1/26/2009 9:08:10 PM Last Wonder Purchase: 4/21/2009 Total Money: $42,099,340 Technology: 5,280.00 Levels Last Bill Payment: 4/23/2009 7:22:49 AM Trade Partners: Splendidia, Mongoland, Leipzigistan, Krak des Chevaliers, The Allied States Total Aircraft: 85 Aircraft Fighter Strength: 225 Aircraft Bomber Strength: 400 Orion's #1 nation never left peace mode during the Karma War. To be honest Paul, IC morality has nothing to do with rogue-quitting. I play a moralist but when I get bored with CN I'll probably want some wars with people I dislike to eke the last ounce of fun out of the game, too. It's an occupational hazard (I've been rogued on before) and there isn't an IC response to it, just take the damage and move on. Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already. Wait, is the argument here that wars are OOC if you're quitting afterwards? This may be Azaghul's last IC action, but attacking people in the game is obviously IC. It might be minor, but it's not IRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this? Point was to correct a ridiculous statement which one rogue made, about the nature of going rogue while quitting the game. It turned into pointless semantics when that ex rogue having nothing to retort with, tried to smudge the picture with pointless semantics as he often does. Attacks are within character and character world politics as they are driven by IC reasons and its politics (though for many I know you don't have a line between IC, OOC, but I think Az has)-- panfilo guy was attacked for his IC action previously. Targeted nations will suffer considerably because of this terrorist act, considering their levels and the nature of the war, while the attacker nation will have some fun and spread the wealth to his kameraden, which of course, will accept the wealth from their rogue kamerade but no fall out or responsibility for his violent act due to semantical technicalities, and IC weakness of the targeted collectives (political weakness, in game weakness in some case, lack of backbone in another case). Anyway, at least he reconsidered about hitting a demilitarized nation after a blitz,...how very sporty of him. Edited November 25, 2009 by Branimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Targeted nations will suffer considerably because of this terrorist act, considering their levels and the nature of the war, while the attacker nation will have some fun and spread the wealth to his kameraden, which of course, will accept the wealth from their rogue kamerade but no fall out or responsibility for his violent act due to semantical technicalities, and IC weakness of the targeted collectives (political weakness, in game weakness in some case, lack of backbone in another case). Semantic technicalities? I left MK. My access was removed almost immediately. It was not endorsed by MK. They could choose not to accept the aid I guess, but that would be kind of ridiculous as I consider myself to have a debt to MK and because accepting the aid will only make my attacks do less damage. I guess TOP could threaten MK not to accept it but that would only lead to Panfilo losing more, and not benefit TOP in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) As far as the IC/OOC thing is concerned, I consider there to be a subjective morality about CN war in both cases. I went rogue for largely OOC reasons (wanting to have some fun). Hitting Panfilo was because of IC motivation. Hitting the high infra no-SDI guys is teaching an IC lesson, OOC they deserve it if they fail that much, IC it doesn't matter as I'm quitting. Edited November 25, 2009 by Azaghul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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