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To: Azaghul From: panfilo Date: 11/24/2009 10:58:56 PM

Subject: Unescorted Bombing Attack Report

Message: An unescorted aircraft bombing run has been launched against your nation by panfilo. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 20 attacking bombers. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

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To: Azaghul From: panfilo Date: 11/24/2009 10:58:56 PM

Subject: Unescorted Bombing Attack Report

Message: An unescorted aircraft bombing run has been launched against your nation by panfilo. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 20 attacking bombers. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Forgot to send his fighters in I see... :lol1:

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Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already.

This line of thinking held true until we started getting people like Ender Land who "quit", quit, retired for a bit, quit politics, stopped playing the game etc. etc. all the while maintaining their nations ready for use when they decide to participate again. Because of people like that, a ruler can now no longer leave the IC world until their nation physically no longer exists.

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If Az doesn't actually quit, then feel free to bring the politics back into it. (At which point I'd join the morality brigade and so on.) But when someone's leaving the game it doesn't make sense to criticise them based on IC political structures – they just want to light up the sky and have some fun on the way out.

Lol at Panfilo's airstrike (though it wouldn't surprise me if TOP told him to do that for laughs :P) and paying 11 days of bills with no LCs.

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There's a big difference between 'participating in the game' and being a part of the IC political system. Those unaligned newbies who raid each other and never join an alliance are participating in the game, too.

The two are the same, he's interacting IC with the alliances he's attacking, ergo he's part of the IC political system.

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Maybe i missed it, but does anyone else think it odd he hasn't been sanctioned yet? Still has all his trades.

Anyhow...Good luck sir!

As I said in the OP, all my trades are secret and I'm using my aid slots to send tech/money to MK. All sanctioning would do is keep me from sending away money/tech, which would only increase the amount of damage I end up doing.

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it's a bummer you're quitting CN (though definitely understandable if RL's too much) only time I've seen you apart from the OWF is when you diplo at TOOL for a little while (back in summer 2008 where TOOL/MK when racing each other in score, good times :P heck I think the race resumed recently - the cycle continues) take care and good luck :) (and I won't say anything on the rouge business: not my problem)

how does an 80k nationn only have 300 million in their WC? thats really laughable actually.

I won't comment on this very much (though even my warchest's bigger than his :P)

edit: forgot something

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The two are the same, he's interacting IC with the alliances he's attacking, ergo he's part of the IC political system.

Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this? Regardless of whether or not he's still considered IC, he's not actually making an impact on any of the alliances outside of some slightly lower stats for the respected parties. He isn't chatting with their gov and sharing state secrets, provoking a global war, or even writing a damn treaty. Once he runs out of nukes and his nation is finally subdued, that'll be the end of him. Then panfilo and the others will eventually rebuild and the rest of planet bob will have continued doing the exact same thing they were doing before, but with one less nation in the population.

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Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this? Regardless of whether or not he's still considered IC, he's not actually making an impact on any of the alliances outside of some slightly lower stats for the respected parties. He isn't chatting with their gov and sharing state secrets, provoking a global war, or even writing a damn treaty. Once he runs out of nukes and his nation is finally subdued, that'll be the end of him. Then panfilo and the others will eventually rebuild and the rest of planet bob will have continued doing the exact same thing they were doing before, but with one less nation in the population.

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with a GOD member.

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how does an 80k nationn only have 300 million in their WC? thats really laughable actually.

Not even close to the worst.

Days in Peace Mode: 1 Days

Desired Religion: None

Desired Government: Transitional

Threat Level: Low

Number of Spies: 550

Last Nuke Purchase: 1/26/2009 9:08:10 PM

Last Wonder Purchase: 4/21/2009

Total Money: $42,099,340

Technology: 5,280.00 Levels

Last Bill Payment: 4/23/2009 7:22:49 AM

Trade Partners: Splendidia, Mongoland, Leipzigistan, Krak des Chevaliers, The Allied States

Total Aircraft: 85

Aircraft Fighter Strength: 225

Aircraft Bomber Strength: 400

Orion's #1 nation never left peace mode during the Karma War.

To be honest Paul, IC morality has nothing to do with rogue-quitting. I play a moralist but when I get bored with CN I'll probably want some wars with people I dislike to eke the last ounce of fun out of the game, too. It's an occupational hazard (I've been rogued on before) and there isn't an IC response to it, just take the damage and move on. Azaghul is effectively outside the IC world already.

Wait, is the argument here that wars are OOC if you're quitting afterwards?

This may be Azaghul's last IC action, but attacking people in the game is obviously IC. It might be minor, but it's not IRL.

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Ok dude, but are you arguing this simply for semantics or is there a point to this?

Point was to correct a ridiculous statement which one rogue made, about the nature of going rogue while quitting the game.

It turned into pointless semantics when that ex rogue having nothing to retort with, tried to smudge the picture with pointless semantics as he often does.

Attacks are within character and character world politics as they are driven by IC reasons and its politics (though for many I know you don't have a line between IC, OOC, but I think Az has)-- panfilo guy was attacked for his IC action previously.

Targeted nations will suffer considerably because of this terrorist act, considering their levels and the nature of the war, while the attacker nation will have some fun and spread the wealth to his kameraden, which of course, will accept the wealth from their rogue kamerade but no fall out or responsibility for his violent act due to semantical technicalities, and IC weakness of the targeted collectives (political weakness, in game weakness in some case, lack of backbone in another case).

Anyway, at least he reconsidered about hitting a demilitarized nation after a blitz,...how very sporty of him.

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Targeted nations will suffer considerably because of this terrorist act, considering their levels and the nature of the war, while the attacker nation will have some fun and spread the wealth to his kameraden, which of course, will accept the wealth from their rogue kamerade but no fall out or responsibility for his violent act due to semantical technicalities, and IC weakness of the targeted collectives (political weakness, in game weakness in some case, lack of backbone in another case).

Semantic technicalities? I left MK. My access was removed almost immediately. It was not endorsed by MK.

They could choose not to accept the aid I guess, but that would be kind of ridiculous as I consider myself to have a debt to MK and because accepting the aid will only make my attacks do less damage. I guess TOP could threaten MK not to accept it but that would only lead to Panfilo losing more, and not benefit TOP in any way.

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As far as the IC/OOC thing is concerned, I consider there to be a subjective morality about CN war in both cases. I went rogue for largely OOC reasons (wanting to have some fun). Hitting Panfilo was because of IC motivation. Hitting the high infra no-SDI guys is teaching an IC lesson, OOC they deserve it if they fail that much, IC it doesn't matter as I'm quitting.

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