ChairmanHal Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 And yet, when your claims were refuted, you swung back with "well you're only responding because I'm from Valhalla". Seriously Hal, when you say stupid !@#$, you're not going to get the most courteous, serious, or professional response in return. Especially when you continue to assume that you know what goes on in the minds of people who you know nothing about. I'm sorry, I'm finished commenting on this thread. Good day to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I forgive you, Hal. Don't beat yourself up about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 History indicates that we support our treaty partners, sometimes to the determent to ourselves. BTW, this is really all you needed to say about the subject of your relations with NSO--I would have accept this and moved on unlike Starfox--but then you hit the wall coming out of turn 4 below... Well, first off STA doesnt have to make any public statement about its feelings on any actions of NSO. That kind of goes along with those treaties. That stays between us and them. Your attempt to try and drag it out of STA by purposefully making false statements is very obvious. Since you want to take shots at us, it is my turn to take a shot at your alliance in return. You say you support your treaty partners? Why did you not support Molon Labe when we attacked them? That insult was REALLY boring when people with only the most fringe involvement in the Karma War until 1-2 months before it happened threw it around, and it is has grown even more boring with each passing day. That you, someone at one time I held in rather high esteem for your grace and honor in defeat, would continue to throw it around lessens you in my eyes. You are simply better than that, or at least I thought you were. Uh oh...someone purposefully making false statements about STA thinks less of us. You expect anyone to care? I simply don't see the point any longer of trying to have a rational conversation about it. I did not present evidence simply because all I really wanted was a clarification of your position vis a vis NSO, not a lengthy debate about, "what did you mean when you said this?". BTW, this was that clarification: Next time, go with the straight answer. It works better. You never came here for a rational conversation. You came here expecting to be able to pull something that was not going to happen. If all you wanted was a clarification of such you would have come directly to STA about it instead of bringing it forward on the OWF. I know all about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Can't any FB alliance announce anything without the discussion turning towards NSO? I mean sure, nobody likes NSO, but that's no reason to whine about them to their allies. I mean what will yall achieve, not like STA will ever drop a treaty because a few people complain, and not like NSO is going to take tutoring from others about how to run their own alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I mean sure, nobody likes NSO I wasn't aware that you spoke for everyone in the Cyberverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunk the Great Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 and not like NSO is going to take tutoring from others about how to run their own alliance. Like we need any tutoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I wasn't aware that you spoke for everyone in the Cyberverse. Indeed. At the very least I like the NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Indeed. At the very least I like the NSO. As do I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I wasn't aware that you spoke for everyone in the Cyberverse. I think you took what I said a little too literally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I think you took what I said a little too literally So, figuratively, no one likes NSO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementual Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) I like NSO. Also this new no-ambassador policy. [OOC/forgot that he has to stay on topic] Edited July 24, 2009 by Dementual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Well, there would be IRC where people generally alert us to any issues regarding the STA. I'd wonder about the quality of an ally who entertained such rumours without alerting us to those rumours and who was spreading them. This is where my hatred of IRC diplomacy comes into play I guess. Just different styles I suppose. I feel that proper diplomacy is for forums and IRC is for making fun of people, goofing around, and planning with existing allies. If our allies wish to believe those who wish to slither into their midsts and spout off horrible things about us then let them. They really do not know us that well anyways and we all just saw what happens between allies that dont really know or care about each other that much.You put more stock in such attempts obviously then our leadership does. Difference of opinion is all it is. I take stock in such things because they work. This is a world of politics, and image is key in politics. If you aren't manging your image then who is? And yes, it's just a difference of opinion. Just throwing mine out there though. Can't any FB alliance announce anything without the discussion turning towards NSO? I mean sure, nobody likes NSO, but that's no reason to whine about them to their allies. I mean what will yall achieve, not like STA will ever drop a treaty because a few people complain, and not like NSO is going to take tutoring from others about how to run their own alliance. I like the NSO. I bet their other allies and friends do as well. Making incorrect blanket statements does nothing to make your points more valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Making incorrect blanket statements does nothing to make your points more valid. Serious business. Oh and you're right, clearly people sidetracking STA's announcement being bad is not a valid point. Let's do it more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I like the NSO. I bet their other allies and friends do as well. Making incorrect blanket statements does nothing to make your points more valid. NV doesn't like ANY of STA's allies, actually. )): NSO )): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 But really, isn't the whole point of you even posting in response more about your lingering hatred for Valhalla than anything to do with me, the War, STA, NSO or Frostbite? It's amazing how people see what they expect to see. Especially when it's convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulchep Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I think Hal has a notebook somewhere with pre-written responses, and he uses them even though they have absolutely no relevance and make no sense to the discussion at hand. "YEAH well STA hates everyone but Frostbite!" "No, we don't, and your remarks are way off-base." "OMG you're just saying that because I'm in Valhalla and you hate us!" Honestly, do you ever listen to yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 NV doesn't like ANY of STA's allies, actually.)): NSO )): oh... ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Can't any FB alliance announce anything without the discussion turning towards NSO? I mean sure, nobody likes NSO, I think your presence alone makes this conversation about us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 NV doesn't like ANY of STA's allies, actually.)): NSO )): But you said you liked our sith chocolate chip cookies Starcraftmazter making a fool of himself, check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) I suppose this thread is not about the two scorned individuals who share a capital S, but rather about STA getting rid of unnecessary red tape. I like it and support it. Edited July 24, 2009 by Mussolandia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 NV doesn't like ANY of STA's allies, actually.)): NSO )): Damn dirty Aztecs. Can never trust them. I think diplomats have uses, but I can certainly see where this policy is coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxNation Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Congratulations, sir. Like many others, I will be interested to see how this approach works out. I can understand how foreign ambassadors seem extraneous from a political standpoint (as they often are not decision-makers), but from a community standpoint I think they can be helpful. Often times, alliances simply don't know much about one another, and dispatching ambassadors can help cover some of that distance. I feel like ambassadors help you determine what communities you get along with and which ones not so much, but at least with your new approach, people will have to actively seek your friendship. Best of luck with the new post and the new approach. I actually often find that what happens is people fine they like or dislike that ambassador, that really has nothing to do with the alliance as a whole. Far too often many treaties are signed based on either just .gov interaction, or liking an ambassador. I like this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I've never forced a conversation in my diplomatic life. Some people dont know how to carry on coversations though, and its always good to get to know other people in other alliances. A Shame, but also an understandable viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Well I hope Bzelger still sees us fit to continue visiting. He's been a great diplomat to Zenith for almost as long as I've been a member. Interesting change of policy, STA. Edited July 26, 2009 by Kzoppistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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