bkphysics Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 If NPO had been told what will happen when they come out, I'd agree with you. But as I said in my last post, I don't blame NPO for not taking a leap of faith for people who want to kill them. I'm not saying they're bad people or that this is a sham... But if someone who wants my alliance dead comes up to me and says "come out of hippy and we'll give you some kind of terms at some point", I'm not taking the deal. Who would take that leap of faith for people who want them dead?-Bama It sucks when you have to depend on your attackers good will and honesty in order to find peace. FAN was asked to do the exact same thing and the path they chose seems to have apparently worked. However, they did have to endure tremendous losses and ridicule along the way. If NPO choose the FAN path, more power to them and if it works, well they too can testify to the tenacity of their membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 It sucks when you have to depend on your attackers good will and honesty in order to find peace. FAN was asked to do the exact same thing and the path they chose seems to have apparently worked. However, they did have to endure tremendous losses and ridicule along the way. If NPO choose the FAN path, more power to them and if it works, well they too can testify to the tenacity of their membership. True, but I doubt it will be anywhere near FAN length. There is no central unified power now, so the next war is gonna come a lot quicker than this one did. I give it 2 months absolute minimum, 5 months absolute tops... 3-4 probably. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Meh, yeah, see what happens, save my warchest mebe. Nizzle is getting kinda disrespectful IMO, especially towards Revanche Indeed. Yeah I saw that and you guys are well within your rights to point out that article. I was just giving Londo the business so he wouldn't feel left out. Also, you all seem to want to assume NPO cares more about losing time or money in peacemode more than seeing if they can wait you out. Hell, I think NPO will try to turn this into a future victory just to see if they can. I won't give them good odds of pulling that off without another large scale war within 6 months. However, if the conditions reveal themselves and nPO does turn this on you we'll all lok back at this as the major mistake. Especially if they actually swing the next war in someone's favor. If that's a risk you guys are willing to take that's fine. I think you'd better off saddling them with terms for 6 months with your good sized reps and leaving them almost friendless now rather than give them the chance to wait it out until another major battle. Also, in case you didn't think it up NPO could conceivably engineer the next war themselves using means that aren't out in the open. I think that is something they'll try eventually. So for those of you that think that they would have to sit there and just wait for the next war to start on it''s own you may as well toss that one out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Ellen Red Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 New Pacific Order Reps Race Day 11 Old Total 1438 Nation Violations 4.314 Billion 143,800 Tech +20 days of terms Today's Add-on's 137 Nations Violated 411 Million 13,700 Tech + 2 days of terms Total so Far 1575 Nation Violations 4.725 Billion 157,500 Tech +22 days of terms Comments: No comments today. [Disclaimer: Now this topic isn't a debate about those terms, as the title says, I made this to inform everyone what those terms would be, if added up. I am simply informing you what they are, so please don't write mis-informing reports. I am not here to debate how good/bad/ok/not-ok the terms are. I am just simply writing what they would be. So please don't throw tons of flames out there. Pwease ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Paul Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 There has been a lot of speculation about whether or not the Order will accept terms or why the Order hasn't accepted these terms. Quite frankly, the Order has not been offered terms, so there is nothing to agree to or comply with. However, I am enjoying the metaphysical discussion about how the Order should comply with terms that do not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 There has been a lot of speculation about whether or not the Order will accept terms or why the Order hasn't accepted these terms. Quite frankly, the Order has not been offered terms, so there is nothing to agree to or comply with. However, I am enjoying the metaphysical discussion about how the Order should comply with terms that do not exist. How many leadership folks on the front against you have you talked to in private about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrovich4 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 As for NPO engineering anything, they tried that with TORN then GGA lol. No one will take them on their word for anything for a very long time, if ever. I'm looking forward to GPA surpassing NPO in score if things continue as they are. Aren't you? True, but I doubt it will be anywhere near FAN length. There is no central unified power now, so the next war is gonna come a lot quicker than this one did. I give it 2 months absolute minimum, 5 months absolute tops... 3-4 probably.-Bama Thank you Nostrabamas! - Nostrabamas fan club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoshawk Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 So did NPO surrender or something? Or is just speculation for the fun of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 So did NPO surrender or something? Or is just speculation for the fun of it? Lol, they haven't been offered terms yet. Read this thread. All 62 pages of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) 13 more days until NPO's terms are as harsh per nation as MK's terms. Current NPO terms can be paid off in 2 months, if the NPO bank, as expected, can manage to organize the entire alliance. Edited June 6, 2009 by Inst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 True, but I doubt it will be anywhere near FAN length. There is no central unified power now, so the next war is gonna come a lot quicker than this one did. I give it 2 months absolute minimum, 5 months absolute tops... 3-4 probably.-Bama Careful Bama, Jerusalem kills its prophets. Oh and Petrovich4...he's right. It will be interesting t watch this thread about the point that the "add-on" reparations (particularly the tech) surpass the amount that NPO has on had or could even hope to pay. Then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Careful Bama, Jerusalem kills its prophets. Oh and Petrovich4...he's right. It will be interesting t watch this thread about the point that the "add-on" reparations (particularly the tech) surpass the amount that NPO has on had or could even hope to pay. Then what? Probably just forget about them and give NPO a good ol' slap on the wrist and then another on the bum for good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderJerusalem Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) Careful Bama, Jerusalem kills its prophets. his lackeys Listen to this man. For he's not wise, but right for once Edited June 6, 2009 by SpiderJerusalem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Listen to this man. For he's not wise, but right for once Oh look, the man who did the worst job as MoFA in Ragnarok history and was subsequently removed from office speaks. I *am* wise, I just don't suffer fools for long. BTW, all those months at Ragnarok living amongst all those ex-GPAers who, if they had known who you really were, would have gladly went to ZI trying to eliminate you from the game...it didn't play with your nerves at all? If not, either you have no conscience or you have ice water in your veins. Perhaps both. It matters little. Please stop making idle threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Probably just forget about them and give NPO a good ol' slap on the wrist and then another on the bum for good luck. Sigged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Yvl Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) True, but I doubt it will be anywhere near FAN length. There is no central unified power now, so the next war is gonna come a lot quicker than this one did. I give it 2 months absolute minimum, 5 months absolute tops... 3-4 probably.-Bama However, the fact that there is no central power to polarize the world also reduces the likelihood that it will be a war of this scale - probably only 3 - 4 alliances fighting another 3-4 alliances. And in their current state, it only takes a few alliances (such as the members of C&G) to keep NPO down. Edited June 7, 2009 by Prince Yvl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 However, the fact that there is no central power to polarize the world also reduces the likelihood that it will be a war of this scale - probably only 3 - 4 nations fighting another 3-4 nations. And in their current state, it only takes a few alliances (such as the members of C&G) to keep NPO down. 3-4 nations is a tech raid, I think it will be quite a bit larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 If NPO had been told what will happen when they come out, I'd agree with you. But as I said in my last post, I don't blame NPO for not taking a leap of faith for people who want to kill them. I'm not saying they're bad people or that this is a sham... But if someone who wants my alliance dead comes up to me and says "come out of hippy and we'll give you some kind of terms at some point", I'm not taking the deal. Who would take that leap of faith for people who want them dead? You can't kill anyone that doesn't want to be killed in CN, and it's pretty extreme to be believe that those in control of the alliances fighting them want them totally destroyed. Let's say NPO comes out, Karma doesn't give NPO peace terms for a month, they spend two weeks haggling, and peace is reached. By this point, a lot of warchests are depleted. The reps will fill their aid slots for several cycles, most likely. Let's say four cycles... I have no idea what the terms will be, but let's say it takes 40 days of full slots for the nations who still have warchests (after 3 months of war, 1 1/2 with no peace mode, there won't be many left with warchests). And we're assuming that NPO doesn't get a no-internal-aid clause. This scenario would mean that it would be nearly 3 months before NPO could begin to rebuild, plus a huge additional pounding from having everyone fighting... They'd be lucky to have a single nation above 1k infra or with the capacity to get there. Staying in hippy for 3-4 months and getting an easy deal would be much better. This is just one scenario, it could be more or less. That's the point. They don't know what will happen. No one but Karma knows what NPO's terms will be or how promptly they will be offered should NPO come out. Would you take that leap of faith for people who want you dead? -Bama Rebuilding isn't just about internal aid, it includes left over warchests (even 1/20th of a large warchest can be used to buy a ton of infra), nations with lots of improvements and wonders, etc. A nation starting at very low infra and every eco improvement and lots of eco wonders can rebuild infra relatively even without aid. Rebuilding even with no aid is a lot better than peace mode or war. Nor does having large terms to pay prevent internal aid if you can space out the reps. MK paid 82,000 tech with 130 or so active participants while having tons of money moving internally for rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Yvl Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 3-4 nations is a tech raid, I think it will be quite a bit larger. How the hell did I make that kind of slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Ellen Red Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) New Pacific Order Reps Race Day 12 Old Total 1575 Nation Violations 4.725 Billion 157,500 Tech +22 days of terms Today's Add-on's 138 Nations Violated 414 Million 13,800 Tech + 2 days of terms Total so Far 1713 Nation Violations 5.139 Billion 171,300 Tech +24 days of terms Comments: Well were are nearing a certain surrender terms post count. But its slowing down real quick, so maybe we will make it. Thanks for you takeing my topic seriously and not flameing me! [Disclaimer: Now this topic isn't a debate about those terms, as the title says, I made this to inform everyone what those terms would be, if added up. I am simply informing you what they are, so please don't write mis-informing reports. I am not here to debate how good/bad/ok/not-ok the terms are. I am just simply writing what they would be. So please don't throw tons of flames out there. Pwease ] Edit: Codeing Issue Edited June 7, 2009 by Scarlet Ellen Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) You can't kill anyone that doesn't want to be killed in CN Oh good, at least we now know NPO hasn't killed anyone. Oh the scandalous accusations! Edited June 7, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulafaras Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 technically you cannot kill anyone in CN full stop. The only way a nation get's destroyed is "suicide" (deleting) or "old age" (20 days inactive). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgon Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 over 170k tech and 5 billion in only day 12 reps? can't wait to see how much it will be on day 30. :lol: (if it keeps going) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithPie Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Wow 12 days in and the NPO are not moving out of peace mode. Guess this idea failed. NPO :1 Karma:0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Wow 12 days in and the NPO are not moving out of peace mode.Guess this idea failed. NPO :1 Karma:0 I hate to quote myself, but: If all of NPO escapes to peace mode, and then in four months white peace is declared on the Pacific front due to a new war, who comes out ahead?Definitely not the alliance that just spent four months in peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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