Azaghul Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 It's numbers of nations I think that would be the biggest problem. These numbers all work out as of today, but a year from now everything these numbers are based on won't be there.Edit: Also, for nations that go to ZI, there won't be any warchest left. They'll spend it to keep fighting. For the most part, anyway. It only takes a small warchest to do wonders, and economic improvements and wonders let you rebuild way, way faster than a new nation. MK wants NPO to use the solid majority of their slots only for reps for a period of six months? MK paid off their terms in what, half a week? This is hardly justice. It took us about 10 cycles or about 4 months, and that was with a couple weeks worth of delays by NPO in giving us targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Paul Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 17 alliances and still they managed to slip more people into peace mode and post marginal losses mostly in range of less than 1.5k infra? My theory is that Karma wants to increase the guilt-free reperations (you know, the ones caused by the Order, not Karma) so they let high profile targets (like a certain Imperial Officer) slip into peace mode not once but twice. I should really put together a telethon for CN Radio so that we can get these 17 alliances the money that they deserve. Our billions plus some caring alliances' billions and we might have enough for Ragnarok. Even if their nations are all ZI'd, they'll still have tech, some left over warchests, and most importantly economic wonders and improvements on hand. As much as we all want to imagine a world where an entire alliance is put to and held at ZI, your premise is not true for every nation: I'll probably be at ZT before I get to ZI, which may impact my ability to send fifteen million Francs and two-hundred fifty tech every ten days. Hence, the importance of a successful telethon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Shah said in that range.When you get down to the 10-20K nations range, a lot of the NPO nations have experienced nation rulers with what were formerly well-developed nations, and which often still have significant supplies of tech and wonders. The people they're fighting against are your younger nations. That's just obvious. I guess I misunderstood him. I was referring to overall experience at the beginning of the war. If he was referring to that range, I don't disagree because that effect usually comes about in these wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 MK wants NPO to use the solid majority of their slots only for reps for a period of six months? MK paid off their terms in what, half a week? This is hardly justice. Are...are you serious? How can somebody possibly be this stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Are...are you serious? How can somebody possibly be this stupid? Let's not forget where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) For the third day in a row? I believe NPO lost less score than some of its attackers, and to top it off, they had net positive gain of 3-5 members. Karma's resolve however, remains stronger than ever Even if their nations are all ZI'd, they'll still have tech, some left over warchests, and most importantly economic wonders and improvements on hand. What are you trying to imply here? Edited June 10, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 For the third day in a row? I believe NPO lost less score than some of its attackers, and to top it off, they had net positive gain of 3-5 members. Karma's resolve however, remains stronger than ever How many wonders did they lose to deletions? Thats far more important of a statistic. What are you trying to imply here? I would imagine he is implying that with their current nations they have the ability to pay reps far greater than these since it would not take long after the war (perhaps a month) for the majority of the once large nations to have at least 3999 infra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yes, yes. This all hinges on the assumption that just because they could pay it they should be made to. That seems perfectly reasonable. Why not just put the reps at "all you have" and just end the speculation? Who cares if it takes years to milk them right because hey technically they could do it...so why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yes, yes. This all hinges on the assumption that just because they could pay it they should be made to. That seems perfectly reasonable. Why not just put the reps at "all you have" and just end the speculation? Who cares if it takes years to milk them right because hey technically they could do it...so why not? Again, you are missing the point of what Azaghul said. NPO gave MK far more percentagewise harsh terms, which were paid off in 10 weeks (which was apparently lengthened due to problems on NPOs end). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Again, you are missing the point of what Azaghul said.NPO gave MK far more percentagewise harsh terms, which were paid off in 10 weeks (which was apparently lengthened due to problems on NPOs end). Let's not jump to conclusions on NPO's terms yet, since they haven't been offered any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotherington Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Let's not jump to conclusions on NPO's terms yet, since they haven't been offered any. I've heard that they have, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromp Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 My theory is that Karma wants to increase the guilt-free reperations (you know, the ones caused by the Order, not Karma) so they let high profile targets (like a certain Imperial Officer) slip into peace mode not once but twice. I should really put together a telethon for CN Radio so that we can get these 17 alliances the money that they deserve. Our billions plus some caring alliances' billions and we might have enough for Ragnarok. Luckely, this is just a theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobb Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) I've heard that they have, unfortunately. Oh how unfortunate indeed But I'm counting on Pacifica to reject those unjust terms from that bloodthirsty coalition! Edited June 10, 2009 by Lord Gobb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I've heard that they have, unfortunately. But think of your poor PIAT brothers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 As much as we all want to imagine a world where an entire alliance is put to and held at ZI, your premise is not true for every nation: I'll probably be at ZT before I get to ZI, which may impact my ability to send fifteen million Francs and two-hundred fifty tech every ten days. Hence, the importance of a successful telethon It's true for many though. For the third day in a row? I believe NPO lost less score than some of its attackers, and to top it off, they had net positive gain of 3-5 members. Karma's resolve however, remains stronger than ever At this point the alliance's fighting them are just being affected by normal growth's and falls. What are you trying to imply here? All I'm doing is countering the argument that these terms will soon become "impossible" to pay. Yes, yes. This all hinges on the assumption that just because they could pay it they should be made to. That seems perfectly reasonable. Why not just put the reps at "all you have" and just end the speculation? Who cares if it takes years to milk them right because hey technically they could do it...so why not? That's not what I'm arguing, just as I said above, countering the argument that the terms are "impossible". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 But think of your poor PIAT brothers! Hey we fulfilled our end of the PIAT! Peace - We didn't attack them Intelligence - We told them attacking OV was a bad idea, we just told them that in a surrender negotiation setting Aid - 82,000 tech sent their way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essenia Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 At this point the alliance's fighting them are just being affected by normal growth's and falls. Nah, NPO is genuinely doing some damage. Nations with 1.5k tech and 0k infra (well, 1000 infra) can get a pretty good damage ratio against nations with 3k infra and 500 tech. I've seen lots of NPO nations at around 2k tech sit there and do nothing other than take defeat alerts and maybe launch a nuke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Nah, NPO is genuinely doing some damage. Nations with 1.5k tech and 0k infra (well, 1000 infra) can get a pretty good damage ratio against nations with 3k infra and 500 tech. I've seen lots of NPO nations at around 2k tech sit there and do nothing other than take defeat alerts and maybe launch a nuke. It's a lot easier to rebuild from 2k tech and 100M than it is from 2k tech and 10M though, which is what you are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essenia Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 It's a lot easier to rebuild from 2k tech and 100M than it is from 2k tech and 10M though, which is what you are missing. I was just talking about the NS losses, not long term growth prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Why not just put the reps at "all you have" and just end the speculation? Who cares if it takes years to milk them right because hey technically they could do it...so why not? I like the way you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 It's true for many though.At this point the alliance's fighting them are just being affected by normal growth's and falls. All I'm doing is countering the argument that these terms will soon become "impossible" to pay. That's not what I'm arguing, just as I said above, countering the argument that the terms are "impossible". I'm agreeing with you. No reps are "impossible". They could take years to pay off but they are never "impossible". My point is that by following the logic that as long as it is possible to pay the reps it is right to charge whatever price you want. Just because it is possible it does not make it the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) In the 4th day straight, NPO's attackers loose more score and members. NPO, only lost one member. Edited June 11, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 In the 4th day straight, NPO's attackers loose more score and members. NPO, only lost one member. Anybody got a current figure on what these reps are now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I'm sure the OP will post it sometime tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I'm sure the OP will post it sometime tonight. Maybe. We're missing yesterdays also. Maybe the OP is getting bored with adding them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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