Captain Kirk Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 o/ NSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 The Strong Will Survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Cao Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Welcome to the fray NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corporal Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dang, giving your enemy the benefit of the doubt?!? After this silly war thing is over I think your people and my people should get together for some seriously friendly talks. When we're not geared for war we're a laid back, friendly sort. Once this is all over, we'll trade six- 30-packs of beer and have a nice get-together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 From the STA-NSO MDP. Happy now? Yes. I apologize for making a fool out of myself in this thread. Have fun in this war, NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 o/ Ivan! It feels so good to say that again.... :jihad: Yes. I've felt that too. Hail Ivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Heh Ivan fighting alongside most of LUE, who ever thought they'd see the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Excellent.Let your hate consume you. We thank our Father for this meal. May He deliver many more such into our hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 o/ NSO - WARZZZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthijs Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Funny that NSO are being criticised for doing the exact opposite of the treaty web and bloc formation that causes world wars in the first place. I'd rather have a close alliance with only an optional defence/aggression clause, than an MADP ally who bails on me as soon as things get too hot. Something which many alliances on the "hegemony" side of things are famous for, incidentally. Some people suggest that a win for Karma would lead to either anarchic chaos or jackbooted fascism (or both, that's called doublespeak) in international relations. But it seems more likely that there will be a more voluntary level of cooperation. Or, as an old Hollandian saying goes: "Rather a good neighbour than a distant friend." Heh Ivan fighting alongside most of LUE, who ever thought they'd see the day? Happened before. Edited April 26, 2009 by Matthijs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I was wonderin' when this sort of DoW would appear, and it does not disappoint. Good on ya', NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 When we're not geared for war we're a laid back, friendly sort. Once this is all over, we'll trade six- 30-packs of beer and have a nice get-together. I look forward to that. You guys should hang out in our channel more often so we can get to know each other better. We could definitely discuss some things, especially after this war is over. Still at war though, so the obligatory :jihad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 It is a silly idea to think that you need a treaty connection to declare an honorable war.o/ NSO In previous times this was considered a band wagon. Are you stating that this precedent is changing? I'm not saying anything negative, just curious what Planet Bob thinks of this. Do you need a treaty, or just say magically, they did us a favor so many mos ago, so we will join in an offensive war? If so...what is the point of a treaty other than to mess !@#$ up...cause lemme tell you, TOP has been completely f'd over by most of our treaties, and partners of such for that matter. IF treaties are not necessary to enter conflict, then WTH...why sign one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonvalid Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Very well. o/ NSO Welcome to KARMA. Umm, no. It is good to see you are making your stance known. It wouldn't be a world war with Ivan after all. Respectfully, Nonvalid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 In previous times this was considered a band wagon. Are you stating that this precedent is changing? I'm not saying anything negative, just curious what Planet Bob thinks of this. Do you need a treaty, or just say magically, they did us a favor so many mos ago, so we will join in an offensive war?If so...what is the point of a treaty other than to mess !@#$ up...cause lemme tell you, TOP has been completely f'd over by most of our treaties, and partners of such for that matter. IF treaties are not necessary to enter conflict, then WTH...why sign one? I think the operative word there was 'honourable'. NSO has a treaty with the STA which pledges them to assist us when in harm's way and they also have a bond with MK who offered their protection verbally to Ivan when he created the NSO. There is a bond between the STA, MK and NSO. To me, bandwagonning is an alliance jumping into a war with absolutely no ties to anyone involved and this is clearly not the case with the NSO in this situation. Also, with the way treaties are cancelled, suspended or blatantly ignored when it puts an alliance in danger of being attacked, I too question their usefulness. Well, more accurately, there are too many signed on a whim with no thought as to what honouring them actually means which means so many get cancelled when war looms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 IF treaties are not necessary to enter conflict, then WTH...why sign one? Sort of like a prenuptial agreement. If your wife (ally) cheats on you with your best friend (DoWs for a stupid reason) when you go for the divorce (treaty cancellation) your wife can say, haha I still get half your money (you're a meatshield, for "honor") We don't need treaties with every single friend we have. Sometimes, treaties are in order. Sometimes, they're not. If, in the future, New Sith Order finds itself in a diplomatically or militarily disadvantageous situation, then we may reassess the way we do business. There's no sense in hypothesizing us being in an internally disadvantageous situation, as our Master Marauder of Internal Affairs is just way too awesome for that to ever happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I think the operative word there was 'honourable'. NSO has a treaty with the STA which pledges them to assist us when in harm's way and they also have a bond with MK who offered their protection verbally to Ivan when he created the NSO. There is a bond between the STA, MK and NSO.To me, bandwagonning is an alliance jumping into a war with absolutely no ties to anyone involved and this is clearly not the case with the NSO in this situation. Also, with the way treaties are cancelled, suspended or blatantly ignored when it puts an alliance in danger of being attacked, I too question their usefulness. Well, more accurately, there are too many signed on a whim with no thought as to what honouring them actually means which means so many get cancelled when war looms. I agree, treaties are nothing but a cluster*(&! and should really not be signed...cause honestly, they make no difference. The game should move more towards bonds and friendships, and less e-lawyering. BUT, the precedent has been that if you don't have treaty obligations, you are riding a band wagon. As usual without a clear set of laws definitions are subjective. The definition of a bandwagonner is obviously changing...Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonvalid Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Well, more accurately, there are too many signed on a whim with no thought as to what honouring them actually means which means so many get cancelled when war looms. I agree. I think future treaties will be more thought out, atleast for a time, after the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I agree, treaties are nothing but a cluster*(&! and should really not be signed...cause honestly, they make no difference. The game should move more towards bonds and friendships, and less e-lawyering.BUT, the precedent has been that if you don't have treaty obligations, you are riding a band wagon. As usual without a clear set of laws definitions are subjective. The definition of a bandwagonner is obviously changing...Just saying... Karma is doing its job already then. But seriously, I have no issue with treaties. STA values her treaties highly and that is why we have so few. The issue for me is not treaties but the number of them signed across the Cyberverse for very little reason. This means that when the crunch comes alliances cancel them and this, sadly, devalues treaties generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I agree, treaties are nothing but a cluster*(&! and should really not be signed...cause honestly, they make no difference. The game should move more towards bonds and friendships, and less e-lawyering. OOC: Excuse me for wanting to play a Geo-Political Nation Simulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycurgus Rex Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 OOC: Excuse me for wanting to play a Geo-Political Nation Simulator. Dont worry about it, you are excused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeLeeshush Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 The DOW i been waiting for o/ IVAN o/ MK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Let the cities of our foes burn, and their wrongful ways be realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiabelly Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Friendship freely given is the best gift of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Grand Decision. o/ NSO o/ MK o/ STA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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