GOONS Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I still say WAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) I'm going to take off my Sith cloak and wizard hat for a moment and argue with you, dear ally, that it's very much impossible at this point to "change the status quo" because by this time, even if the NPO gets destroyed or the Continuum falls, or both; it will make no difference. You, no we, are all products of what the game had become when you and your friends and possibly me and mine took part in forcing out of the game people different than ourselves. It's funny that you should hear this from a self-proclaimed Fascist but that just proves I'm not a Nazi. As for the topic I was discussing... nothing will change with the fall of Q or the New Pacific Order. For the critically challenged, here's what lies over the horizon: Superfriends, the commies, and Chuck Norris curbstomp the NPO and cannibalize the emperor, a month of "WOW WE'RE FREE" passes, people realize that there's nothing all that different to do; the same trends continue: faulty reasons for war, too many meaningless treaties being signed, people being forced out for OOC reasons (ie NoV), all that. Soon enough, a replacement bloc for Q will surface or otherwise, one of the victors will emerge as the new hyperpower right after the war. Enjoy the fun while it lasts, I suppose. Boy, the time really must fly around your palace. Edited April 18, 2009 by Hymenbreach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 What a lovely circular argument you have there, Sal. I don't think you understand what a circular argument is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Tom has a point. We can all hope, I suppose, but people are people, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reachwind Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I think Tom pretty much said what I was thinking.... I'll just add this... In order to truly change the status quo you have to demonstrate a better way that works and be successful doing it. To get this game fluid again we need to show that war between alliances can be done without extortion, without multi alliance curbstomps and without resorting to effectively keeping our fellow players from playing the game on the character they choose to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColchestersKing Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I think what the OP was getting at has been slightly misconstrude, I dealt with many members of the STA and i know exactly what he means.....they have a policy.....The STICK to it, that policy doesnt change to suit a cause, LOD you can play a game in an honourable way by commiting to the character you choose i.e if you choose to be a freedom fighter or an opposision voice then by all means oppose just dont turn into what you oppose.....Does that make sense? i know it might not im not good at explaining myself lol, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 A game of dawn of war will solve this all... Dawn of war seems to solve all. as for honor? see sig, i still stand by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Honor is relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Honour is the most important thing. If you do not honour your treaties or your friends then there is no point to your alliance. I for one will act honourably in the upcoming war, relative to my morals of course and hope that my opponents shall too. o/Justice/Honour/Loyalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Wings Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm pretty sure that I said it elsewhere: expect no quarter, and expect no mercy. The purpose of war is to annihilate your opponent in the most expedient manner possible, and every action taken during wartime should serve that end. Nobody around here can even agree on what the exact definitions of honorable are, which makes trying to take the moral high ground not only patently absurd, but practically impossible. In my opinion, that certain historical factions were unable to grasp this simple truth is one of the major reasons for their downfalls - they couldn't commit themselves to the destruction of their enemies, whereas their enemies were more than happy to burn the world down around their ears. War isn't pretty, and war isn't clean. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 The OP is good, and we should take it to heart. Also it was written by a woman. I see several people making that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I don't think you understand what a circular argument is. I was trying to allude to that, but it obviously wasn't getting through. Not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I applaud the sentiments contained in pezstar's initial posting. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Did I say you shouldn't do it because I don't like it? No. You're assuming that's what I mean. And did *I* say that you said that people shouldn't do it? Uhhh, let's have a read... nope! I'm not assuming anything here. Your meaning is plain as day. That you don't like what follows from what you're saying is not my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Honor is relative. To what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdrubael Vect Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I must have missed the part where disbanding alliances is honorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commisar Gaunt Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 To what? To the person/alliance. It really is I suppose. What one person finds honorable, someone else might find utterly repulsive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Drake Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Completely agree with the OP, very well written and a great summary of how things have been going down. I also share his hope that those that engage in combat, if they are still intending to do so, treat your opponents like your equals, and get a good clean fight on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted April 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) I must have missed the part where disbanding alliances is honorable. Oh! I see what you did there! Because, I did something that some people don't agree with over a year and a half ago, I can never have a point again. My mistake! Edited April 19, 2009 by pezstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Honor is having the guts to stand up for what you believe in, regardless of what that may be, and to continue standing up for it regardless of whether you are winning or losing. It's doing the right thing regardless of what others think. It's standing not behind your allies, but beside them. What happens when one does not believe in his treaties and is only using those treaties to achieve higher power? According to your definition as long as they believe in what they are doing it is honorable. However, I disagree. If they agree to things they don't believe in, then they should still uphold their agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 To what? to everything, everyone who fought on a side in GW2 thinks their side was more honorable, it's how the game has always been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 to everything, everyone who fought on a side in GW2 thinks their side was more honorable, it's how the game has always been. POINT NOT PROVEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 This has also been on my mind lately. If the opposition were to impose strict surrender terms and demand that alliances be disbanded, what will we all have fought for? We will have fought and sacrificed for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rahl Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) Honor is relative. This. I also believe that those that constantly shout to everyone that they are honorable and their opponents aren't, are in fact hypocrites. Those that rejoice at Q's downfall will rule in the exact same manner if they have the chance. Either from vengeance or because they don't want another Q to arise. Either way, it's all the same, and thus the hypocrisy. e; fail spelling Edited April 19, 2009 by Richard Rahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 POINT NOT PROVEN. SIR YOU MUST PROVIDE A COUNTER POINT TO HIS POINT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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