An Acknowledgement of Doom

[BringMeTheHorizon]

How very courageous.

[jerdge]

7 hours ago, White Chocolate said:

I’ve had my share of being raided.  I can not speak for others but in my case, raids were actually part of what kept me playing.  I got more active, found friends/allies by seeking them out in order to stop raids, learned how to war to defend myself, invited friends to join me and kept interested because survival on my own terms presented a challenge worth it.  Spare me the fake tears for anyone leaving over raids.   True - it’s not like I have spoken to every nation leaving, but neither have you.  Of all the reasons people given me regarding why they decide to leave, “because of the raids” has not come up.  It’s generally about a lack of time.  

There's a difference between experiencing an healthily challenging experience and fighting an hopeless battle against unchecked cheaters, but you wouldn't know because at the time you were firmly on the cheaters' side - that's what you call survival on your own terms.

There are no fake tears involved, sure people leave any game for a variety of reasons, but in this specific case: when the multies scandals emerged, years ago, there were clean players openly saying that they were leaving - or they would have left if things hadn't been properly addressed - and which since actually left, and you were personally there, replying to them and trying to convince everyone that it was just petty stuff that had happened totally by chance, etc, the kind of stupid defence we're again reading in this thread. Spare me your absurd stories about anecdotes of people leaving for this or that reason, it's not what we're talking of.

Talking of why we're still on the subject, I don't know why you people still think that is a good way of defending this crap. It's not that I or anyone else spends their days posting about it, it's just a yearly post, at most, when I stumble upon someone admiring Steeldor's "greatness". Just look the other way, avoid quoting my posts, ignore me and stop making this relevant, nobody actually cares anymore.

 

 

2 hours ago, Gh0s7 said:

If you believe rules were broken, there is an avenue to report that. Otherwise what you're doingnis baseless speculation, so come back with concrete proof and a report, and focus in the subject at hand. Appreciated. Sorry, but people have been accusing each other over this crap for decades, and these claims rarely have any substance. And this is not the place for that kind of discussion

It's not baseless speculation, Steeldor had around 64k tech levels erased overnight in a period in which some mod had found/been presented with damning evidence about his tech. His tech having been erased is recorded. It's fact.

It makes no sense to report it again as the mods already acted upon it.

 

 

It's cringe worthy that some people gets overly agitated about this stuff, go around taking of "insinuations", "suggestions", "speculations", try absurd defences of totally unacceptable unfair play. We're talking of established facts, just say that you're OK with all that or, even better, don't post at all on the subject and let it be forgotten again.

[DeathAdder]

9 minutes ago, jerdge said:

There's a difference between experiencing an healthily challenging experience and fighting an hopeless battle against unchecked cheaters, but you wouldn't know because at the time you were firmly on the cheaters' side - that's what you call survival on your own terms.

There are no fake tears involved, sure people leave any game for a variety of reasons, but in this specific case: when the multies scandals emerged, years ago, there were clean players openly saying that they were leaving - or they would have left if things hadn't been properly addressed - and which since actually left, and you were personally there, replying to them and trying to convince everyone that it was just petty stuff that had happened totally by chance, etc, the kind of stupid defence we're again reading in this thread. Spare me your absurd stories about anecdotes of people leaving for this or that reason, it's not what we're talking of.

Talking of why we're still on the subject, I don't know why you people still think that is a good way of defending this crap. It's not that I or anyone else spends their days posting about it, it's just a yearly post, at most, when I stumble upon someone admiring Steeldor's "greatness". Just look the other way, avoid quoting my posts, ignore me and stop making this relevant, nobody actually cares anymore.

 

 

It's not baseless speculation, Steeldor had around 64k tech levels erased overnight in a period in which some mod had found/been presented with damning evidence about his tech. His tech having been erased is recorded. It's fact.

It makes no sense to report it again as the mods already acted upon it.

 

 

It's cringe worthy that some people gets overly agitated about this stuff, go around taking of "insinuations", "suggestions", "speculations", try absurd defences of totally unacceptable unfair play. We're talking of established facts, just say that you're OK with all that or, even better, don't post at all on the subject and let it be forgotten again.

 

No one does care except you.

[jerdge]

5 minutes ago, DeathAdder said:

No one does care except you.

I agree with you even more than you do, I don't really care about those facts either.

 

If a random comment of mine sparks outrage and gratuitous unintelligent hypocrisy I can occasionally muster enough attention to reply further, but you already knew this bit too.

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by jerdge
you, not your

[DeathAdder]

1 minute ago, jerdge said:

I agree with you even more than you do, I don't really care about those facts either.

 

If a random comment of mine sparks outrage and gratuitous unintelligent hypocrisy I can occasionally muster enough attention to reply further, but you already knew this bit too.

 

 

Yeah. We've pretty much hashed it all.

 

From no one caring when DBDC was openly raiding to come together and stop them.

To the Landing Project NPO did that you were so upset about, but the mods approved.

To DBDC and NoR nations getting tech deleted or nations getting outright banned in the process.

 

So... why is it still a topic being discussed?

[A1ph4 0m3ga]

3 hours ago, Tevron said:

Good point. CLAWSCLAWSCLAWS is perhaps threatened by our possible merge with FTW and/or NATO though, which makes it a little awkward 😕

One Super AA incoming? Loser of the war has to merge? Strong terms. 

[HeroofTime55]

4 hours ago, DeathAdder said:

 

To the Landing Project NPO did that you were so upset about, but the mods approved.

 

Ah, yes, the project that other people wanted to do as well and were told no, NPO had special permission to do something nobody else was allowed to.

Some of us do care, in the sense that we had fond memories of this game before it became a dead husk thanks to certain privileged parties being allowed to cheat.

It's openly debatable if NPO can even be considered to have "won" the game, that implies a certain degree of integrity and adherence to the rules of a level playing field.

[LittleRena]

3 hours ago, A1ph4 0m3ga said:

One Super AA incoming? Loser of the war has to merge? Strong terms. 

 

Maybe CCC could merge into the rapture.

[jerdge]

6 hours ago, DeathAdder said:

[...]

So... why is it still a topic being discussed?

I think that my opinion about the greatness of others being super irrelevant is something we can universally agree on, I'm puzzled as you are.

[Mumzilla]

1 hour ago, LittleRena said:

 

Maybe CCC could merge into the rapture.

 

 

I def think thats about to happen

[DeathAdder]

3 hours ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Ah, yes, the project that other people wanted to do as well and were told no, NPO had special permission to do something nobody else was allowed to.

Some of us do care, in the sense that we had fond memories of this game before it became a dead husk thanks to certain privileged parties being allowed to cheat.

It's openly debatable if NPO can even be considered to have "won" the game, that implies a certain degree of integrity and adherence to the rules of a level playing field.

 

No one cares, HoT.

 

Go back to pretending to be a pony, that was your life calling.

[DeathAdder]

1 hour ago, jerdge said:

I think that my opinion about the greatness of others being super irrelevant is something we can universally agree on, I'm puzzled as you are.

 

Fair.

[A1ph4 0m3ga]

2 hours ago, LittleRena said:

 

Maybe CCC could merge into the rapture.

Unfortunately we are all amillennialists. We do appreciate your concern for our afterlife however.

 

1 hour ago, MichaelScott said:

 

 

I def think thats about to happen

 

“No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends” - John 15:13

[Thrash]

41 minutes ago, DeathAdder said:

 

No one cares, HoT.

 

Go back to pretending to be a pony, that was your life calling.

 

When you can't debate, resort to name calling. Nice job.

[DeathAdder]

Just now, Thrash said:

 

When you can't debate, resort to name calling. Nice job.

 

I don't see any name calling in that post.

[Mumzilla]

38 minutes ago, A1ph4 0m3ga said:

Unfortunately we are all amillennialists. We do appreciate your concern for our afterlife however.

 

 

“No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends” - John 15:13

“Abraham Lincoln once said that, ‘If you’re a racist, I will attack you with the North.’ And those are the principles that I carry with me in the workplace.”

 

 

[kerschbs]

On 6/27/2022 at 6:16 PM, The Big Bad said:

 

Do you think they care?  This world is on life support.  Better to go down in a blaze of glory than just fade away.  Winning is the new losing. 

You’re really wasted in Polar TBB. I’m sure FTW would show you a much better time. 

[ChairmanHal]

12 hours ago, jerdge said:

There's a difference between experiencing an healthily challenging experience and fighting an hopeless battle against unchecked cheaters, but you wouldn't know because at the time you were firmly on the cheaters' side - that's what you call survival on your own terms.

There are no fake tears involved, sure people leave any game for a variety of reasons, but in this specific case: when the multies scandals emerged, years ago, there were clean players openly saying that they were leaving - or they would have left if things hadn't been properly addressed - and which since actually left, and you were personally there, replying to them and trying to convince everyone that it was just petty stuff that had happened totally by chance, etc, the kind of stupid defence we're again reading in this thread. Spare me your absurd stories about anecdotes of people leaving for this or that reason, it's not what we're talking of.

Talking of why we're still on the subject, I don't know why you people still think that is a good way of defending this crap. It's not that I or anyone else spends their days posting about it, it's just a yearly post, at most, when I stumble upon someone admiring Steeldor's "greatness". Just look the other way, avoid quoting my posts, ignore me and stop making this relevant, nobody actually cares anymore.

 

 

It's not baseless speculation, Steeldor had around 64k tech levels erased overnight in a period in which some mod had found/been presented with damning evidence about his tech. His tech having been erased is recorded. It's fact.

It makes no sense to report it again as the mods already acted upon it.

 

 

It's cringe worthy that some people gets overly agitated about this stuff, go around taking of "insinuations", "suggestions", "speculations", try absurd defences of totally unacceptable unfair play. We're talking of established facts, just say that you're OK with all that or, even better, don't post at all on the subject and let it be forgotten again.

 

I've already spoken my piece on this issue many moons ago.  

 

FYI: I've seen the evidence of cheating back then.  Some of it was deemed not actionable even though it should have been.  If tech/nations got deleted, there was slam dunk evidence and anyone who still thinks that anyone got a raw deal makes me chuckle.  If anything, as I say, the mods and admin erred on the side leniency. 

 

Anyone left here now and is still active has decided to accept what went on, that the punishment was what it was, and that a proper fix for Bob would have involved doing things that Admin was unprepared to do.  I'm not sure what else to say at this point.  Ya'll (what's left of you) still seem to be having fun most of the time, or maybe old habits die hard and good friends (and frenemies) are hard to find.

 

--Your Humble Museum Curator

[AlmightyGrub]

All it takes is a few good men.

[LJ Scott]

How rude to be dragged back into activity...

[Galtian Commune]

2 hours ago, LJ Scott said:

How rude to be dragged back into activity...

Blame NG. I’m sure this is their fault somehow 

[jerdge]

4 hours ago, LJ Scott said:

How rude to be dragged back into activity...

Dragging you back into activity would be a good thing. Well, maybe not for you.

[A1ph4 0m3ga]

2 hours ago, Galtian Commune said:

Blame NG. I’m sure this is their fault somehow 

NG is to blame for every problem that CN has ever had. May they get what they deserve. 😉

[Smitty256]

16 minutes ago, A1ph4 0m3ga said:

NG is to blame for every problem that CN has ever had. May they get what they deserve. 😉

 

You're only just now figuring this out? Those darn NG'ers are just a menace on CN. 

[Smitty256]

19 hours ago, kerschbs said:

You’re really wasted in Polar TBB. I’m sure FTW would show you a much better time. 

 

We would gladly accept him into our ranks. Grub as well.