BringMeTheHorizon Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Again, MIs failure to understand the relationship between SWF and LSF is key to the mess they are in and their inability to get out of the situation. If you mean understanding that they are one, and that they both agreed to a ceasefire, and LSF breaks it, when MInc was about to agree to reps and pay. Then we must consider SWF to be the main offenders of breaking the agreement to pay reps as well. Then I think we understand quite well that SWF broke the deal to pay reps for peace between us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 No one agreed to a ceasefire, you just unilaterally declared it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 If you mean understanding that they are one, and that they both agreed to a ceasefire, and LSF breaks it, when MInc was about to agree to reps and pay. Then we must consider SWF to be the main offenders of breaking the agreement to pay reps as well. Then I think we understand quite well that SWF broke the deal to pay reps for peace between us. Two of your members attacked an established, treatied alliance. Just off the top of my head, I can think of several alliances who would have responded with massive force within hours of such a brazen, foolish attack. Now, you could say to yourself, "We blew it, and we need to fix this as quickly as possible." But instead, what you're saying is, "Mommy, the bad people hit us back! And they won't stop!" And you've been saying it since the beginning. That was your entire reason for this DoW. I've always said most raiders are just crybabies masquerading as tough guys. From the OP onward, you've proven just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Solomon I Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yeah, NPO and all their senseless raids on micros! Er, wait. How is he being hyprocritical? I honestly don't know either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Again, MIs failure to understand the relationship between SWF and LSF is key to the mess they are in and their inability to get out of the situation. I don't find it to be a mess at all, more like a blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Two of your members attacked an established, treatied alliance. Just off the top of my head, I can think of several alliances who would have responded with massive force within hours of such a brazen, foolish attack. Now, you could say to yourself, "We blew it, and we need to fix this as quickly as possible." But instead, what you're saying is, "Mommy, the bad people hit us back! And they won't stop!" And you've been saying it since the beginning. That was your entire reason for this DoW. I've always said most raiders are just crybabies masquerading as tough guys. From the OP onward, you've proven just that. Golly jee, king zog. There you go making stuff up again. Edited April 15, 2015 by BringMeTheHorizon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 No one agreed to a ceasefire, you just unilaterally declared it Go talk to sabcat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I don't find it to be a mess at all, more like a blessing.Which is why you've been arguing all over the place about why you're in the right instead of taking your lumps and shutting up, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Go talk to sabcat. They don't need to talk to me. I did exactly what I agreed to last night - posted the logs of the conversation with US on our forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I would like to point out that 2 guys from Nordreich defended DL in this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Right? What Bob needs more than anything is an unscripted, out of the blue war that no one saw coming. Shake things up a bit -- I had high hopes for the Guinness-Lavender Town War, and was disappointed. Same with the FAN-UCRaine War. When this one doesn't escalate, we can all go back to our regularly scheduled plotting for the next big pre-determined,coalition war, all the while complaining about how stagnant Bob has become.Escalation during the Beer Guzzlers War didn't happen as we had utterly broken Guinness and destroyed the North Star Federation sufficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Escalation during the Beer Guzzlers War didn't happen as we had utterly broken Guinness and destroyed the North Star Federation sufficiently. NSF capitulated so fast, and hard it was just plain old sad. Though according to saxplayer that was the reason SN-X was formed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 No one agreed to a ceasefire, you just unilaterally declared it Sabcat told me he would post on your forums about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I would like to point out that 2 guys from Nordreich defended DL in this... Ain't it cool!?! :wub: My Allies are being all truthful and pointing out the facts even though they are .helping. commies by doing so instead of some people I see splitting hairs trying to justify what can't be Justified... :facepalm: I give Siggy and the rest credit they are persistent and loyal to their allies regardless of how wrong they are just like old times... :popcorn: FYI when I mentioned since MI has now .attacked. LSF does that trigger MDPs question I meant my allies NATO :wub: and Shangri-Li who have MDPoAP with LSF according to CN Wiki, which may or may not be still active treaties...thus my question is did MI .trigger. MDPs by attacking LSF? Forgive me I am .High. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HM Solomon I Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Ain't it cool!?! :wub: My Allies are being all truthful and pointing out the facts even though they are .helping. commies by doing so instead of some people I see splitting hairs trying to justify what can't be Justified... :facepalm: I give Siggy and the rest credit they are persistent and loyal to their allies regardless of how wrong they are just like old times... :popcorn: FYI when I mentioned since MI has now .attacked. LSF does that trigger MDPs question I meant my allies NATO :wub: and Shangri-Li who have MDPoAP with LSF according to CN Wiki, which may or may not be still active treaties...thus my question is did MI .trigger. MDPs by attacking LSF? Forgive me I am .High. NATO's treaty no longer exists, as far as I know the Shangri-La one is still active though. Shangri-La doesn't list any treaties at all on its forums for me to confirm this. Edited April 15, 2015 by HM Solomon I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 NATO's treaty no longer exists, as far as I know the Shangri-La one is still active though. Shangri-La doesn't list any treaties at all on its forums for me to confirm this. Awesome thanks for educating me...So it appears their is no danger of us getting involved... :awesome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Sabcat told me he would post on your forums about it. and he did, and the consensus was that a ceasefire is kind of silly, especially considering one side all of a sudden declared it without consulting the other side your intentions may be good, but you can see how the other side can see it as a buying time tactic, I don't think a ceasefire is necessary for ongoing negotiations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 and he did, and the consensus was that a ceasefire is kind of silly, especially considering one side all of a sudden declared it without consulting the other side your intentions may be good, but you can see how the other side can see it as a buying time tactic, I don't think a ceasefire is necessary for ongoing negotiations I do find it pretty hilarious that you guys thought the same thing we did, because the ceasefire didn't come from us, and we were told you were in support of it, or at least ok with it. So we naturally assumed that when you guys started attacking us it was just a ruse at buying time to move more people int peace mode, or to get more people ready for more attacks; while we didn't nuke or attack anyone it worked out more in your favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 and he did, and the consensus was that a ceasefire is kind of silly, especially considering one side all of a sudden declared it without consulting the other side your intentions may be good, but you can see how the other side can see it as a buying time tactic, I don't think a ceasefire is necessary for ongoing negotiations It's a sign of good will and it limits the damage that is going to occur if we're about to peace out anyways. Everyone I spoke to said they were on board. The ceasefire was originally proposed by Comrade Trotsky of CP-CN on his boards under a litany of preterms in order to facilitate peace and Defender seemed to be on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 This is why you shouldn't tech raid unless you're ready to deal with the potential ramifications. I'm pretty sure "don't raid an aligned alliance" is pretty high up on the bullet points of the "dos and don'ts of tech raiding" guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I do find it pretty hilarious that you guys thought the same thing we did, because the ceasefire didn't come from us, and we were told you were in support of it, or at least ok with it. So we naturally assumed that when you guys started attacking us it was just a ruse at buying time to move more people int peace mode, or to get more people ready for more attacks; while we didn't nuke or attack anyone it worked out more in your favor.So, essentially, you should pick a better middleman who knows that "well, maybe" doesn't mean "yeah, we agree to that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's a sign of good will and it limits the damage that is going to occur if we're about to peace out anyways. Everyone I spoke to said they were on board. The ceasefire was originally proposed by Comrade Trotsky of CP-CN on his boards under a litany of preterms in order to facilitate peace and Defender seemed to be on board. this is a big old mess, and declaring a ceasefire is obviously going to fail it's best to talk directly with Defender on the forums, I'm not sure he can be on chat, but we should have some one in his place for today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 this is a big old mess, and declaring a ceasefire is obviously going to fail it's best to talk directly with Defender on the forums, I'm not sure he can be on chat, but we should have some one in his place for today Ceasefire was a sign of good will from Minc. They will not do attacks unless the LSF/SWF nation does attacks first. This way, those uninvolved LSF/SWF nations can grow their nations in peace without being subjugated to war due to overaggressive actions by DL govt and members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejack Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ceasefire was a sign of good will from Minc. They will not do attacks unless the LSF/SWF nation does attacks first. This way, those uninvolved LSF/SWF nations can grow their nations in peace without being subjugated to war due to overaggressive actions by DL govt and members. Wow. That is some titan class spin. I am impressed. I'll wager it took several minutes for the dizziness to pass after writing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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