Caliph Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Wow. That is some titan class spin. I am impressed. I'll wager it took several minutes for the dizziness to pass after writing that. Careful now, looking at that might give you vertigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejack Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Careful now, looking at that might give you vertigo. At my age any spinning sensation has me reaching for the nitroglycerin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frawley Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) It's convention for a reason. When someone deviates from it like this, one may be forgiven for wondering why.It's convention because it is cheaper from a time and in-game point of view for most alliances. That is the only reason. If setting up counters was quicker than demanding 45m, then counters would be the convention. This way, those uninvolved LSF/SWF nations can grow their nations in peace without being subjugated to war due to overaggressive attacks by Minc members.Fixed this by stepping back in time a few pages. Edited April 16, 2015 by Stanger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oskar Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 We did enforce our policy- raid at your own risk. Had they of gotten ZId we wouldnt have cared. They know the risks It's when they hit nation associated with the initial conflict that we hit swf as an alliamce wide matter. Twist it, turn it, recite our charter and all the paperwork you want- it still doesn't change anything What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oskar Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 It's convention because it is cheaper from a time and in-game point of view for most alliances. That is the only reason. If setting up counters was quicker than demanding 45m, then counters would be the convention. Fixed this by stepping back in time a few pages. Shut up and attack my alliance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oskar Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not* What's a matter? you jelly bro? penut butter belly jelly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Wow. That is some titan class spin. I am impressed. I'll wager it took several minutes for the dizziness to pass after writing that. My intention was not malicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Shut up and attack my alliance Do you play dodgeball in rush hour traffic in your spare time? Or are you trying to get the FA job for your AA? :ehm: What's a matter? you jelly bro? penut butter belly jelly? I like the way you talk Uh-Huh! :awesome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshington Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Escalation during the Beer Guzzlers War didn't happen as we had utterly broken Guinness and destroyed the North Star Federation sufficiently. NSF capitulated so fast, and hard it was just plain old sad. Well, yes. But NSF had allies in GATO, ODN, UCR and TSK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Gimmie some credit I declared on NSF/Guin too :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehmina Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Well, yes. But NSF had allies in GATO, ODN, UCR and TSK. Lol UCR :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oskar Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Update! aNiMaLz has officially declared war on NPO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 This thread is about the other micro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Golly jee, king zog. There you go making stuff up again. If you can point out one factual error I'd love to see it. I guess what I'm saying is, if you're going to say I'm making things up, then show me what I've pulled out of thin air. Did you attack SWF/LSF? Why yes, you did. Were those attacks identifiable as raids? Check the DoW reasons and I think you'll agree that the answer is, "No." Did your members engage in attempted extortion? They sure did. Were SWF/LSF within their rights to attack you back? Absolutely. Is your DoW based on those legitimate responses to your attack on a treatied alliance? Yes. Are you complaining that people aren't honoring a ceasefire that only you agreed to? Yes, you sure are. Does all of this amount to the wailing of a bunch of crybabies that their intended target(s) didn't just roll over? Well, I suppose that's a matter of interpretation. However, the fact that you (collectively) continue to defend the actions of your rogue members does tend to undermine your credibility. (Oh no, my mistake. You took away their freedom to raid for an entire month! That doesn't amount to a tacit defense of their actions at all.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capibara Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Does Nordreich is part of DL? Is there a secret treaty between NoR and the commies? Are they coming for their rescue? These are the real questions that need an answer soon. Edited April 16, 2015 by Capibara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Did your members engage in attempted extortion? They sure did. We aren't the barbaric raiders you attempt to make us out to be. In fact, for the most part we are pretty refined gentlemen and reasonable to get along with. Was the extortion of tech good? No, we frown upon it, and the nation didn't know- and we told him not to do it again. When I was in LavenderTown I remember Chow used to extort tech from helpless nations- who would then send 100 tech and he'd still nuke them. So, I would like to point out that we are relatively civil. Edited April 16, 2015 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Solomon I Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 We aren't the barbaric raiders you attempt to make us out to be. In fact, for the most part we are pretty refined gentlemen and reasonable to get along with. Was the extortion of tech good? No, we frown upon it, and the nation didn't know- and we told him not to do it again. Does it bother me? Not really- when I was in LavenderTown I remember Chow used to extort tech from helpless nations- who would then send 100 tech and he'd still nuke them. So, I would like to point out that we are relatively civil. Relatively civil? How does that justify anything? No one seems to be claiming you're barbaric anything, they're just claiming you are thoroughly in the wrong in this situation. Claiming that really, compared to some, you're normally pretty good guys doesn't change anything; it's just a straw man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Relatively civil? How does that justify anything? No one seems to be claiming you're barbaric anything, they're just claiming you are thoroughly in the wrong in this situation. Claiming that really, compared to some, you're normally pretty good guys doesn't change anything; it's just a straw man. Our members raid, when they are in the wrong- we deal with it internally. Had SWF came to us, we would have solved it quick. When two of our nations not associated with the conflict were hit- we deal with it externally. Preach all you want, but last I checked you and Nordeichs last wars were in a 'world war' which was triggered with no CB. Why? because apparently "that's how planet bob works for most AAs". We do not conform to those sets of rules. The only reason we need a world war anyways is because alliances like you have locked the treaty web up so bad (by the way, you need a bigger avatar) that it's gotten to the point that it's the only way bigger alliances can even get involved with page stretching- with seeking decent peace terms. Let's face it, your biggest activity at the moment is collecting every 20 days and sticking your thoughts into other thread's activity. We put our members first, it's why we've grown so fast, and maintained membership. So you worry about your senseless no CB wars and we will worry about our more personal fights. Edited April 16, 2015 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shwampy Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Does Nordreich is part of DL? Is there a secret treaty between NoR and the commies? Are they coming for their rescue? These are the real questions that need an answer soon. oh crap, they are on to us :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejack Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 We aren't the barbaric raiders you attempt to make us out to be. In fact, for the most part we are pretty refined gentlemen and reasonable to get along with. Was the extortion of tech good? No, we frown upon it, and the nation didn't know- and we told him not to do it again. When I was in LavenderTown I remember Chow used to extort tech from helpless nations- who would then send 100 tech and he'd still nuke them. So, I would like to point out that we are relatively civil. So the claim to fame is "we don't suck as much as generalchow"? Very low bar you have set there. ( and yes you are barbaric raiders. Beano does this same act over and over again - I am horribly out of the loop and even I know his particular song and dance routine. Raid, act surprised, pretend to politic, complain, get angry and act justified. Rinse repeat. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Solomon I Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Our members raid, when they are in the wrong- we deal with it internally. Had SWF came to us, we would have solved it quick. When two of our nations not associated with the conflict were hit- we deal with it externally. The problem is that all throughout this thread you have claimed much more than this. You have claimed that SWF was in the wrong for retaliating, but they were most certainly within their rights to do so as a sovereign alliance. The onus is not on the defender to sort things out, the onus is on the attacker. Preach all you want, but last I checked you and Nordeichs last wars were in a 'world war' which was triggered with no CB. Why? because apparently "that's how planet bob works for most AAs". We do not conform to those sets of rules. The only reason we need a world war anyways is because alliances like you have locked the treaty web up so bad (by the way, you need a bigger avatar) that it's gotten to the point that it's the only way bigger alliances can even get involved with page stretching- with seeking decent peace terms. Let's face it, your biggest activity at the moment is collecting every 20 days and sticking your thoughts into other thread's activity. We put our members first, it's why we've grown so fast, and maintained membership. So you worry about your senseless no CB wars and we will worry about our more personal fights. Your argument has now devolved to pure straw men and ad hominems. The fact that you now have to resort to claiming that you're in the right because I am in an alliance that has done things that you believe to be wrong is telling. Here's a hint, irrespective of anything I or my alliance has done, deflecting will not change the current situation. Edited April 16, 2015 by HM Solomon I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hmmm... Interesting because we stated they had the right as so did we. Also the situation is resolved. My thoughts on your planet bob life style was basically summarizing that we don't give a damn about your 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Solomon I Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hmmm... Interesting because we stated they had the right as so did we. Also the situation is resolved. My thoughts on your planet bob life style was basically summarizing that we don't give a damn about your 2 cents You had the right to attack them unprovoked? Also good to end the discussion with we don't care after spending 14 pages making it very clear you do care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) oh crap, they are on to us :ph34r: /me goes to delete all posts and then claim to have been 'hacked' We aren't the barbaric raiders you attempt to make us out to be. Actually, I thought I made it pretty clear that you were behaving like a bunch of whiny crybabies. Edited April 17, 2015 by kingzog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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