Mr Director Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Let's get this straight. I never went to the GMs for anything. I contested your claims and after I read through your DoE more carefully, I realized your government directly clashed with one of the three groups I maintain watches over. I'm not allowing that on my border. Secondly, I referred to pushing Tywin out of Poland/Belarus if he continued with his SOCSOV bullhonkey. So far, he has given me perfectly valid IC reason to destroy his government. Since when was Tywin in Belarus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I rolled some dice for the IRC channel I was in. Tywin ended up winning the character lottery! He gets the two characters I bothered to write up in that database. You may commence the despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Since when was Tywin in Belarus? My bad, I meant he Baltic states. Got my B nations mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122503-the-united-soviet-socialist-states-of-greater-eurasian-union-usse/?p=3273033 Asking for force composition that has been prior roleplayed and how it adds up to 50,000 (except in the French occupied area, which we chose not to contest). I only could find information supporting two Russian Divisions and One Alvonian division when I last searched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 How about, just RPing things out, there was a revolution, put it down. I think its a fairly simple thing to do. I will never understand why there is so much effort put into defacing someone through OOC when you could do it IC. He had a revolution, with a revolutionary government, which is one of the most hated types of government in the world. Keep things IC, seperate the IC/OOC, and if you come into conflict with someone you don't like in the RP, then its win win for you. Right now JED and his allies could invade and attempt to drive Tywin out using the CB that its a revolutionary government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I have nothing against him OOC. In fact I hope he stays and rps somewhere, does awesome rp work and we get to enjoy what I can tell is a massive amount of energy in a creative effort. I just want him to do it proper. I just know the probability of a revolution in a policed area over which a military presence has already been established succeeding, especially when that occupation was exceedingly recent, in the lack of presence of significant motivation, training, or infrastructure for revolutionary forces. The logistical challenges and intelligence challenges would be phenomenal. If he is assuming control of a miltiary that would be both demoralized and possibly broken it's even worse. Imagine if out of nowhere the President of the United States resigned and China moved to occupy and then say.. California decided to revolt. That's kind of what would have happened to Uberstein's domain... their charismatic leader is gone.. and their forces in disarray ultimately demoralized and subject to internal power-struggle. Tywin's group would definitely not be the only hand in the pot, although it may be the most active hand due to his energy level of a player.. he can exhibit that through his efforts overcoming the challenges presented him. It could work.. in time.. note the key words.. in time.. not immediately.. and you're not going to reorganize over night like that. Tywin cited ISIS as an example of abrupt revolution, but truth is that the ground work for the current ISIS group in Iraq has been having its foundation laid.. for years.. as part of the Syrian revolution. His initial revolution had no outside support. Jeds' forces were already present. If he was assembling a force and it had been roleplayed out properly, then Jed's forces would have had the opportunity to move in, prevent the assembly, perhaps completely halt the mobilization. There are a number of intelligence rolls to obscure his actions.. and for Jed to attempt to detect his actions that technically should be needed to resolve whether he can get away with the mobilization of the revolution without his core leadership being interrupted and interned. What I guess I'm saying is that Tywin is moving too far.. to fast.. if he really wants this done proper he needs to take it slow, rp the gathering, organizing, and inspiration of units and forces he intends to use.. rebuilding their morale, and uniting them in common objective, because it doesn't happen with the wave of a magic wand because his presence just happens to be there. Above all, he should be prepared to fail, because even though he touts this as realistic, I realize the truth behind the unbelievable improbability his actions would succeed because I know what he would have to overcome. He's not looking at just opposing Jed, but the internal factions that would also be vying for Uberstein's failed state. He has to win both his own people over as well as convince them to fight the 'enemy' while demoralized. If Jed has taken care of the protectorate.. there's no guarantee he'd be able to be successful given the immediate recent failure of a local government and a lack of confidence in domestic governance. There is a reason we have people ask permission to play in established protectorates, the probability of success is typically very low. The RP fundamentals and justifications that would make it mirror reality just are not there. CNRP2 AND CNRP are the RP of nations. not just merely of armies. There's more to it than just plopping your forces on the map and claiming territory. If you're willing to put the work into doing it proper, more power to you.. your nation will grow, you will prosper you will be strong in a multitude of dimensions. If you want to play risk, I can recommend a few good websites for that and you can complete a match in hours. Edited June 20, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) There is no fixed timeframe in CNRP2, Mogar roleplayed months of rebuilding in a few days after bing nuked. More important is balance of forces, which are relatively favorable. Uberstein has blessed me with his old roleplay assets including the old president and that helps as well. Edited June 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Can you prove that uber has given you permission to use his characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I guess this might be relevant? I rolled some dice for the IRC channel I was in. Tywin ended up winning the character lottery! He gets the two characters I bothered to write up in that database. You may commence the despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Righto, musta missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Less of a blessing and more of random chance. I enjoy my dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I shall be putting in my resignation for this RP following recent talks/revelations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 It doesnt matter, Baron Uberstein will give a speech laying out further roleplay but people will still make IC decisions for OOC reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongoz Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Dude follow the rules or deal with the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I honestly wouldnt mind a war OOCly and think it would be fun to roleplay (unless nukes start getting dropped and there is GM bias like last time), a fairly moderated red force/blue force war can be lots of fun. ICly I am trying to avoid it, but if I wanted to be left alone I woulda kept roleplaying antarctica or gone off to siberia somewhere. I have no aversion to political or military drama, although the whole OOC thing does get old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 you intentionally set yourself up for war and then pretend like that wasn't your intention all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I set myself up for confrontation, not necessarily war. This situation can be resolved politically, and as of last night it was being resolved politically. Obviously, I see the US creeping into the Europe sphere to stick their fingers in things, but a political resolution is quite possible. Edited June 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 If I'm allowed to do so, I think I'll say the following on my characters: Whoever owns Riga gets to RP my characters. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wow dude, you already gave me your characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wow dude, you already gave me your characters And you own Riga at the moment. :D Don't lose it. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Alright, might as well consider my classified strategic force composition in my thread OP dated, since I know people are going to use it to plan their invasion anyway. Edited June 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Its a damn shame your baltic wall isnt setup against Alvonia. Guess Ill be busy today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 If I'm allowed to do so, I think I'll say the following on my characters: Whoever owns Riga gets to RP my characters. :P Actually I own Riga at the moment, given that it's a part of my protectorate and my boots are currently stationed there. So technically I get to RP your characters (alas the real Erwin von Uberstein, not the body doubles that the Baron is famous for having). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I really hate to be "that guy", but... PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT (NATO:TOP SECRET) *KGB network active in Alvonia This does not seem (to me, at least) like adequate roleplay to establish any sort of spy network in my nation. Edited June 20, 2014 by Markus Wilding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Actually I own Riga at the moment, given that it's a part of my protectorate and my boots are currently stationed there. So technically I get to RP your characters (alas the real Erwin von Uberstein, not the body doubles that the Baron is famous for having). Challenged, you did not roleplay any specific deployment to Riga: --------------------------------------------------- 30,000 troops (mostly rapid reaction brigades) into to secure Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Kaliningrad Oblast in conjunction with Alvonian forces. An additional 30,000 auxiliary police and logistics personnel would be sent there as well. After strategic evaluations on the ground, Stavka decided to deploy two additional divisions (20,000) from the 5th Motorized and 10th Infantry Divisions, bringing the total number to 50,000. The bulk of the new deployments would be allocated to the Kaliningrad Oblast. An additional squadron of Tupolev Tu-160s would be deployed to Kaliningrad as well, although the amount of fighters would remain for now. UAVs, UCAVs, and EWACs would be sent to the protectorate regions. Moreover, two Antonov An-225 transports would be dispatched to the Baltic states, and one to Kaliningrad. Officials from the Border Troops, with the assistance of auxiliary police troopers, would assume control of all border checkpoints alongside the Lithuanian-Belarus border, and the Kaliningrad-Polish border. --------------------------------------------------- Question: Precisely how much of your forces are in Kalingrad, and how many are in the Baltic states? Where does it state what happened to the Wall or Uberstein military forces? Do your men have orders to shoot at Red Forces moving through the area? Because if so, you will have a war on your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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