Beefspari Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1323553014' post='2872853'] lol... no thats a first. I was quite the prolific tech raider back in the day though. That was before I realised how fun global wars were, these days I prefer to save my pixels for the big show [/quote] In case you weren't paying attention, GOONs do both. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL12.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1323556891' post='2872918'] In case you weren't paying attention, GOONs do both. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL12.jpg[/img] [/quote] You fight very well too, I've always been impressed with your military ability and fighting enthusiasm. Sure you dont have mountains of stats but you have good warrior ethic in there. Even if I'm politicly oposed to you and often your reasons for entering wars I can still admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote name='garcia' timestamp='1323539518' post='2872699'] GOONS went in to support a coalition partner. With NPL's exit/surrender to Nebula X and out of the coalition, peace between NPL and GOONS/DH should follow. This previous incident of NPL recruiting GOONS tech raids was settled with the $30mil that was paid. Although, they should not have to have paid any reps for recruiting a nation. There are plenty of NONE nations in the sea. We are allies yes, but your behavior here is not one to be admired. @blueski, setting standards is not positive when the standards are low and deplorable. [/quote] exactly there are plenty of nations on NONE so why go thru our wars and recruit the guys we're raiding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemMo Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 [quote name='Timberland' timestamp='1323561413' post='2872969'] exactly there are plenty of nations on NONE so why go thru our wars and recruit the guys we're raiding ? [/quote] We shouldn't have, and that's why we apologized, paid reps, and haven't done it since. Don't think that we think we didn't do something wrong... Because we did... We just thought this was over and we could move on from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 [quote name='KemMo' timestamp='1323562694' post='2872986'] We shouldn't have, and that's why we apologized, paid reps, and haven't done it since. Don't think that we think we didn't do something wrong... Because we did... We just thought this was over and we could move on from it. [/quote] Welcome to the Nostalgia Wars, we remember so you don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcia Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='KemMo' timestamp='1323562694' post='2872986'] We shouldn't have, and that's why we apologized, paid reps, and haven't done it since. Don't think that we think we didn't do something wrong... Because we did... We just thought this was over and we could move on from it. [/quote] GOONS was raiding a nation. You message the nation and warn them about the danger of not having alliance and you invite them to join. The nation takes you up on the offer and joins NPL. You go to GOONS and tell them to stop attacking the nation because it is an NPL member. Did you get belligerent and demand that GOONS stop the attacks? You made several mistakes here. First, you never allow full membership to a nation at war. I saw earlier that one of your members stated that new policies are in place now to prevent incidents like the one with GOONS. Second, it's GOONS and you should have know better or have people in your alliances that know how GOONS goes about their raids. A good advisor that knows other alliances stances could have advised you not to demand anything from GOONS. GOONS is not an alliance to be messed with especially when it comes to their love for raiding. Third, grow a spine. You see how firm GOONS is? You see why nobody messes with them? You see why they can join blocs like PB and DH? You should have held firm to your belief and kept talking with GOONS. Paying them the reps just made your alliance look weak. Some alliances will give the courtesy of letting the raided nation go and give it peace if an alliance recruits it. GOONS finishes it's business with their targets and then lets them go. My opinion is that this should be over as white peace. But, it is not my call. You should be getting in contact with GOONS if you haven't already to see what the amusing terms Sardonic said he might give. Edited December 11, 2011 by garcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1323551606' post='2872835'] I love this thread so, so much. Neb-X doesn't have anything to apologize for. GOONS declared for their own reasons, Neb-X has no treaty with them, and frankly shame on you for even suggesting an apology. Neb-X is its own organization with its own decision-making processes and its own priorities, it owes apologies to no one for exercising them in this situation, least of all Doom House which has not one interest in Neb-X's well-being in this war. [/quote] Neb-X sure cheered when DH came in and saved their asses from getting a beat down. Now they leave so they can "concentrate" on a front that is already well handled? How many counter wars are being sent to keep Valhalla from being hurt by RIA? (LOL!) I have to agree with pansy here. It's a shady move, and they should apologize. Apparently Neb-X did this to piss off DH, and well...they did a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Levistus Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 [quote name='Chalaskan' timestamp='1323565378' post='2873033'] Neb-X sure cheered when DH came in and saved their asses from getting a beat down. Now they leave so they can "concentrate" on a front that is already well handled? How many counter wars are being sent to keep Valhalla from being hurt by RIA? (LOL!) I have to agree with pansy here. It's a shady move, and they should apologize. Apparently Neb-X did this to piss off DH, and well...they did a good job. [/quote] NPL approached NebX for peace when DH was peacing out CSN. I instructed Sonic to do nothing until he spoke to Sardonic. He spoke to Sardonic and came to an understanding. NebX is still fighting. Just not on a front they aren't needed on anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameroca Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1323550622' post='2872821'] we screen our applicants before they get recruited and before we mask them as members to ensure they have no pre-existing wars present. A nation with pre-existing wars with a recognised alliance is simply not allowed membership in the NPL and we have explained this to your diplomats since then in much detail. [/quote] How is this different from your original constitution, which stated you would not accept nations at war? When you accepted a nation GOONS was raiding, and we approached you then, you personally stated that you didn't care about a GOONS raid. What assurances do we have that this time is different? Now, reps were paid for the acts of you actively aiding nations with whom we were at war (as in, sending money/troops labeled "military aid"), but that was merely a few acts of many. Not only did you have that flippant attitude towards GOONS I mentioned, your alliance threatened individual members if they did not peace out, built your alliance out of former raids who were recruited with the promise of obtaining nukes to get back at us, and made claims of being able to take us. You might be able to understand why a little hostility exists between our memberships (even if quite a few, including myself, find ourselves respecting you personally). Heck, our diplomat even approached you with a deal that would have certainly improved our relations before this all went down, but you ignored it. Edited December 11, 2011 by Ameroca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 [quote name='Ameroca' timestamp='1323568524' post='2873068'] How is this different from your original constitution, which stated you would not accept nations at war? When you accepted a nation GOONS was raiding, and we approached you then, you personally stated that you didn't care about a GOONS raid. What assurances do we have that this time is different? Now, reps were paid for the acts of you actively aiding nations with whom we were at war (as in, sending money/troops labeled "military aid"), but that was merely a few acts of many. Not only did you have that flippant attitude towards GOONS I mentioned, your alliance threatened individual members if they did not peace out, built your alliance out of former raids who were recruited with the promise of obtaining nukes to get back at us, and made claims of being able to take us. You might be able to understand why a little hostility exists between our memberships (even if quite a few, including myself, find ourselves respecting you personally). Heck, our diplomat even approached you with a deal that would have certainly improved our relations before this all went down, but you ignored it. [/quote] I'll have to break this into parts for you mate cause you raise many points... [quote]How is this different from your original constitution, which stated you would not accept nations at war? When you accepted a nation GOONS was raiding, and we approached you then, you personally stated that you didn't care about a GOONS raid. What assurances do we have that this time is different? [/quote] You were reading an old copy of our consitution that had been changed before you ever got to it, yeah our wiki details arent always up to date we admit that. For a few months our charter was worded so that Nations couldn't be accepted if they had agressive wars. Being a victim of a tech raid was allowed for a while. That has now been changed and you will simply not see a masked member in our alliance that came in with a pre-existing war with a recognised alliance. If you do by all means let me know as it will be an error and the person will be imedietly demasked and sent back into the applicant pool. We frankly had an awefull admissions system when we first started, part of growing into a good alliance is adding structure and we now have a multistep and closely monitored applicant process, its honestly for our own benifit more then humoring you to be frank. [quote]who were recruited with the promise of obtaining nukes to get back at us, and made claims of being able to take us.[/quote] Where on earth did you get that from? I send 99% of our recruitment PM's out and neither of those lines have ever been used. We claimed to offer protection from Tech Raiding that they wouldn't get if they stayed a none and we seperatly promoted ourselves as specialising in helping mentor new nations into nuclear states. Its our recruitment neice and it works well, o/ NUKES etc. [quote]You might be able to understand why a little hostility exists between our memberships (even if quite a few, including myself, find ourselves respecting you personally). [/quote] I really do understand the hostility, and i sent Sardonic an honest apology (I still have it saved, and would be happy to PM it to you if you want it) at the time it happened as first impressions are hard to correct. We got off on the wrong foot and trying to restore that to neutral is not easy. If nothing else perhaps a few rounds in the ring together may actually help. [quote]Heck, our diplomat even approached you with a deal that would have certainly improved our relations before this all went down, but you ignored it. [/quote] Well I did discuss it with him but it was not something we were interested in for various reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameroca Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1323580173' post='2873230'] Where on earth did you get that from? I send 99% of our recruitment PM's out and neither of those lines have ever been used. We claimed to offer protection from Tech Raiding that they wouldn't get if they stayed a none and we seperatly promoted ourselves as specialising in helping mentor new nations into nuclear states. Its our recruitment neice and it works well, o/ NUKES etc.[/quote] That was actually two separate points, I didn't mean for you to think I was saying your alliance, in it's recruitment messages, conveyed that you could "take us." However, that was a feeling stated by many of your members. The initial point, the one you are really responding to, is when your alliance sent raided nations a message saying that you will give them nukes and protect them from raiders, while they are currently being raided. I think you can understand how they made the connection that you were telling them they would get to use those nukes on their former raiders (a sentiment conveyed to us several times). While you are certainly not outright stating the thought, the implication [i]is[/i] there, and your recruits recognized and threatened us with it. [quote]If nothing else perhaps a few rounds in the ring together may actually help.[/quote] I'm glad you can understand GOONS position then. And for all our blustering, this is (and has been conveyed by Sardonic) always been our position for this war. Edited December 11, 2011 by Ameroca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ameroca' timestamp='1323583030' post='2873389'] That was actually two separate points, I didn't mean for you to think I was saying your alliance, in it's recruitment messages, conveyed that you could "take us." However, that was a feeling stated by many of your members. The initial point, the one you are really responding to, is when your alliance sent raided nations a message saying that you will give them nukes and protect them from raiders, while they are currently being raided. I think you can understand how they made the connection that you were telling them they would get to use those nukes on their former raiders (a sentiment conveyed to us several times). While you are certainly not outright stating the thought, the implication [i]is[/i] there, and your recruits recognized and threatened us with it. [/quote] Acually I was always very carefull with wording on that... i never connected the nukes and the protection of being raided in the same line. It was always two seperate points. A: stop being a noob and get an alliance cause your going to keep getting raped on NONE and B: NPL specialise in helping new nations develop into nuclear states etc. I can see how you could asume we could market that but nah we never did it that way. [quote]I'm glad you can understand GOONS position then. And for all our blustering, this is (and has been conveyed by Sardonic) always been our position for this war. [/quote] Here's to a good clean fight then hey. o/ NUKES!!! Edited December 11, 2011 by King Wally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 My favorite NPL memory: [9:27pm] KemMo[NPL|Trium]: "The Nuclear Proliferation League hereby demands that the two nations from The International send peace." This was of course, after INT countered an NPL nation that rogued one of their gov. NPL are precious, and pricless. I hope GOONS charges them reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Ameroca' timestamp='1323568524' post='2873068'] Heck, our diplomat even approached you with a deal that would have certainly improved our relations before this all went down, but you ignored it. [/quote] If you are referring to P. Henderson, the guy has been demasked for conduct we deemed inappropriate of any diplomat. In fact, any diplomat who trolls an alliance while on their own forum deserves the nukes he is currently taking...I am off topic. Here is the final assessment of the situation, as far as I am concerned. NPL messed up. NPL not only apologized, both personally by members of messed up, and as an alliance, but paid reps for the mess up. Instead of stating the reps weren't enough, during the negotiations of the reps, GOONs seems to think that after ACCEPTING reps, they have a legitmate CB. I still don't have a problem with that. The problem I have is the consistent belligerence by random GOONs. They are sending in-game messages about what a terrible AA we are, when we complied with everything they asked and they still attacked. This is whining (see how I got that in before you could claim that is what it is). This is simply stating observations. Now, roll away. The entire might of DH against 80ish nations. We are such a lousy AA, that 1, I repeat, 1 nation surrendered. The rest of us have taken the best you have. The rest of us have fought tooth and nail against an overwhelming aggressor. We are terrible. Just terrible (those last two sentences are provided so they can be taken out of context by those who thrive on such). Nevermind; Please forget I said anything. I have already forgotten how unimportant this conversation is. /me goes back to nuking GOONs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I must apologize. In my haste to vent on the sad state that passes as the norm these days, I completely forgot to mention that Neb-X is completely classy and I enjoyed the WITTY banter I had with streethawk during our war. I acknowledge a fun opponent who didn't forget that it was about FUN. I appreciate that. Good luck with all you do Neb-X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Chalaskan' timestamp='1323565378' post='2873033'] Apparently Neb-X did this to piss off DH, and well...they did a good job. [/quote] If I really gave a !@#$ about Neb-X, I would have just declared on them for being opportunistic fine gentlemen, but the tears of NPL nations kept me happily distracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 You guys should have demanded that Vulpes Inculta become leader of NPL. He'd have run the alliance into the ground within a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwuss Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 10B from Neb X and 10B from NPL equal footing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1324443487' post='2883092'] 10B from Neb X and 10B from NPL equal footing [/quote] Sounds generous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Napalm Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1324443487' post='2883092'] 10B from Neb X and 10B from NPL equal footing [/quote] Why in the hell would you want to permanently destroy our aid slots? It was bad enough prying money from the Legion et. al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hecate Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 The undead will stumble back to their rightful place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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