New Frontier Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1304904414' post='2708806'] Honoring all treaties gets you hated by all of CN. Honoring no treaties gets you hated by all of CN. Honoring some treaties gets you hated by all of CN. What's a man to do? [/quote] If only there was a way to not sign a million stupid treaties and maintain a cohesive foreign policy. We can always dream, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1304802246' post='2708163'] I think he meant in its previous form? [/quote] This, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 [quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1304911747' post='2708885'] If only there was a way to not sign a million stupid treaties and maintain a cohesive foreign policy. We can always dream, I suppose. [/quote] I think we can teach a lessor or two on that if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 [quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1304903658' post='2708799'] Real emperors would wait for another major war and then pull the famous "Honor all treaties" move. What could the worst happen? [/quote] Or you could bail on your side within a day or two of fighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Black Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1304911747' post='2708885'] If only there was a way to not sign a million stupid treaties and maintain a cohesive foreign policy. We can always dream, I suppose. [/quote] Mr. Frontier, As someone who does not full understand the interaction between alliances (Formal FA) How does a cohesive foreign policy work? Or for that matter what does one look like? Specifically maybe of an example of an alliance an alliance that has one and how they are different from others. Edited May 9, 2011 by Muddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 [quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1304930720' post='2708988'] Mr. Frontier, As someone who does not full understand the interaction between alliances (Formal FA) How does a cohesive foreign policy work? Or for that matter what does one look like? Specifically maybe of an example of an alliance an alliance that has one and how they are different from others. [/quote] You should not be leading an alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Letum' timestamp='1304705872' post='2707584'] I've always held a certain fondness for going treaty-less, so none.[/quote] ^ This. I'd probably cancel treaties instead and go paperless. If you need one to defend a friend then I question how great friends the parties are. If one needs a treaty to get involved in a cause of principle then I question how committed to said principle one is. Edited May 9, 2011 by Hyperbad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Hyperbad' timestamp='1304972791' post='2709178'] ^ This. I'd probably cancel treaties instead and go paperless. If you need one to defend a friend then I question how great friends the parties are. If one needs a treaty to get involved in a cause of principle then I question how committed to said principle one is. [/quote] I think the problem is that you won't really know where you stand politically until the #$%@ hits the fan. Treaties are also a deterrent during peacetime and an easy way to show the world who you support whether or not you choose allies based on principles. They may be overused but that doesn't mean they aren't practical. Edited May 9, 2011 by Joe Kremlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Joe Kremlin' timestamp='1304978669' post='2709254'] I think the problem is that you won't really know where you stand politically until the #$%@ hits the fan. Treaties are also a deterrent during peacetime and an easy way to show the world who you support whether or not you choose allies based on principles. They may be overused but that doesn't mean they aren't practical. [/quote] I hadn't yet said treaties were impractical but a necessity of them to do either of the two things I mentioned on their own with no other considerations are weak reasons and does leave serious doubts about how genuine those feelings or positions are. I'll add that treaties aren't a necessity to have the deterrent affect. You just need to make known what your positions are publicly visible. That could be a government documents section of ones forum or a single line on the wiki. There's really no reason as to why one [i]needs[/i] treaties. I don't even see the mas convenient when they might remove options instead of presenting them. About the only thing they have going for them is they're the norm but only because everyone keeps enforcing it by conformity. They're an annoyance which distracts one from good policy or decision making and adds a concern over honoring the letter and spirit of some ultimately pointless legalese document. Edited May 9, 2011 by Hyperbad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='potato' timestamp='1304930064' post='2708987'] Or you could bail on your side within a day or two of fighting? [/quote] And then run off and join the other side, like what Hasantic League and many of its members did. Edited May 9, 2011 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 [quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1304964877' post='2709122'] You should not be leading an alliance. [/quote] I believe Muddog was being largely satirical there, in the fact that when it comes right down to it, very few alliances can really be said to have a narrowly cohesive foreign policy (as a reference, note that it's largely the every which way tangling of treaties that has been responsible for establishing the main powerstructures on Planet Bob). The fact that you went straight to a personal attack against him rather than to point out examples of alliances that meet your stringent ideas on foreign policy really says more about you than it does him. Would it kill you to not be a jackass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1305050045' post='2709675'] Would it kill you to not be a jackass? [/quote] It might. For those of you truly seeking my advice as a sage of our time, OMFG would be a shining example of an alliance that won't have to panic come wartime. Pacifica also has pretty much aligned themselves completely to a specific side or sphere, notwithstanding the fact that it isn't a side or sphere likely to win any wars any time soon. If you're wondering, Deinos isn't going to be scrambling to pick a side to fight on come next war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 NPO gives me Emperor after not even three weeks? Damn, I just retired from alliance leading I'd probably sign MDoAPs with Olympus, TPF, TIO, LoSS, TFD, STA, and an ODP with NpO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Black Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1304964877' post='2709122'] You should not be leading an alliance. [/quote] I should not be asking a twelve year old for advice either. Edited May 11, 2011 by Muddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementual Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I'd sign with New Frontier. Only New Frontier. It's worked for me before, it'd work for me again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Joe Kremlin' timestamp='1304978669' post='2709254'] I think the problem is that you won't really know where you stand politically until the #$%@ hits the fan. [/quote] That's how the present system works, except instead everyone is treatied to everyone else with stupid things like ODPs and PIATs or whatever the $%&@ it is these days. The point is that all this "we have a treaty! we're bosom friends!" is nonsense and the effect of most treaties could be established simply by a passing remark that your alliance is on amicable terms with another. Edited May 11, 2011 by Doitzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagginator Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 As Emperor of the New Pacific Order the only treaty I would be interested in would be signing a sort of archnemesis pact with some enemy alliance like MK or FAN. The terms would be such that if one party is attacked, the other party must either come to the first party's defense or join in the assault. At first glance one might expect the two alliances to always choose to attack each other, but I think what would actually happen is that more often than not the two team up in order to turn an otherwise even war into a curbstomp of some third party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draztikus Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1305100781' post='2710049'] NPO gives me Emperor after not even three weeks? Damn, I just retired from alliance leading I'd probably sign MDoAPs with Olympus, TPF, TIO, LoSS, TFD, STA, and an ODP with NpO [/quote] Sorry dude, but I've recently become Emperor of Polaris after literally everyone else in the alliance died, and I'm not signing a treaty with NPO even if it's an ODP and you're the emperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 [quote name='Lagginator' timestamp='1305127855' post='2710137'] As Emperor of the New Pacific Order the only treaty I would be interested in would be signing a sort of archnemesis pact with some enemy alliance like MK or FAN. The terms would be such that if one party is attacked, the other party must either come to the first party's defense or join in the assault. At first glance one might expect the two alliances to always choose to attack each other, but I think what would actually happen is that more often than not the two team up in order to turn an otherwise even war into a curbstomp of some third party. [/quote] Now that is something I'd like to see. The thought of MK or FAN ever fighting alongside NPO would probably herald the end of Planet Bob, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Cornelius' timestamp='1305135501' post='2710172'] Now that is something I'd like to see. The thought of MK or FAN ever fighting alongside NPO would probably herald the end of Planet Bob, though. [/quote] NPO, fighting with MK and FAN? I think my mind would snap. Other folks around here would need a straitjacket and a padded room for their own safety. Edited May 12, 2011 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 [quote name='Draztikus' timestamp='1305129415' post='2710145'] Sorry dude, but I've recently become Emperor of Polaris after literally everyone else in the alliance died, and I'm not signing a treaty with NPO even if it's an ODP and you're the emperor [/quote] Not even if I'm the Emperor? I'm offended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Colt Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 re-sign with all current allies plus Nordreich, FAN, VE, and PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhysicsJunky Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 [quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1304705472' post='2707579']Your alliance leader is dead... Any number of treaties, and you are allowed to include former allies as well. [/quote] These words like "leader" and "treaties" confuse us, we're a simple people. Maybe you could draw a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would form an Eternal-MDAP bloc with Sparta, ODN, GATO, MHA, TOP and NpO. Truly no bloc would have the loyalty like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 [quote name='potato' timestamp='1304790725' post='2708084'] I'm listening. What's your offer? [/quote] I have dibs on you. Hands off Shamanttamaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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