gantanX Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Weebland' timestamp='1282629566' post='2429013'] He was mad that Hermione punched him in the third movie. [/quote] GOD's dark lord is harry potter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1282629914' post='2429030'] Read what I said closely. And yes, I know it's just an academic point to make :x [/quote] I mean, there was no counter proposal, true, but I am pretty sure it was made clear what would happen if the terms were rejected. Edited August 24, 2010 by Sulmar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1282629903' post='2429029'] It doesn't mean that you won't admit wrongdoing and a beer review. In order to end a war you have to, I dunno, END the war. Too bad if you expected peace to be hand-delivered with no effort at ALL on your part. I could have sworn in all those [OOC]movies[OOC] I never saw any Sith whine. You were tougher as a diplo Lintwad. I had hoped that after 2 weeks of war that Ivan would have issued you a pair. Apparently not. [/quote] So, do you not understand how words work or are you just really bad at spinning things? We were told no terms, then 30 minutes before the scheduled end of the war we were told we had to agree to these terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1282628980' post='2428992'] Where I come from, "There would be no terms, we'd just walk away." does not mean "You will copy and paste these exact words that I have written for you and agree to write a beer review, or we will continue to attack you." [/quote] See and where I come from its called surrendering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1282629752' post='2429023'] We had to agree to say these things in order to achieve peace. That's the very definition of a term. [/quote] It's almost like you shouldn't have committed an act of war to begin with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted August 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1282629903' post='2429029'] It doesn't mean that you won't admit wrongdoing and a beer review. In order to end a war you have to, I dunno, END the war. Too bad if you expected peace to be hand-delivered with no effort at ALL on your part. I could have sworn in all those [OOC]movies[OOC] I never saw any Sith whine. You were tougher as a diplo Lintwad. I had hoped that after 2 weeks of war that Ivan would have issued you a pair. Apparently not. [/quote] You mean I shouldn't take your leadership's word at face value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperhead Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1282630054' post='2429038'] See and where I come from its called surrendering. [/quote] Where I come from it's called manipulation. It's quite obvious that manipulation was what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1282630058' post='2429039'] It's almost like you shouldn't have committed an act of war to begin with! [/quote] Kaitlin already tried derailing the conversation exactly like this on the last page. Your attempt won't go any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1282630058' post='2429039'] It's almost like you shouldn't have committed an act of war to begin with! [/quote] So it's okay for an alliance to lie about terms but not okay for an alliance to give $6.000.000 to a nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1282630054' post='2429038'] See and where I come from its called surrendering. [/quote] No one is debating that NSO surrendered. I'm flat out accusing RoK of lying. You're avoiding the accusation, most likely because there really isn't any way to dodge it when the proof is right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I am curious about something. Would it considered a term if the only thing you had to say was "We admit we lost this war."? I mean, not even an apology or an admission of guilt. Just say that you in fact lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1282630157' post='2429043'] So it's okay for an alliance to lie about terms but not okay for an alliance to give $6.000.000 to a nation? [/quote] It's not okay to give a rogue nation 6 million. >_> Edited August 24, 2010 by Jgoods45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1282630122' post='2429042'] Kaitlin already tried derailing the conversation exactly like this on the last page. Your attempt won't go any better. [/quote] Talking about the reason this war started is off topic from a thread about the war ending? Well look at that. It's almost like you're just trying to find something to complain about so you just ignore the argument against you! Who would've thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1282629988' post='2429035'] I mean, there was no counter proposal, true, but I am pretty sure it was made clear what would happen if the terms were rejected. [/quote] Made clear and "literally" are two very different things, and she used the word literally. Though in this case made clear is even a stretch, as the evidence for it is the omission of any statement to the contrary, which is a loose connection at best. But once again, just an academic point, nothing to fret over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrod Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1282630054' post='2429038'] See and where I come from its called surrendering. [/quote] Surrendering=/=Walking away. Hoo said White peace, with NSO just walking away. This isn't just NSO walking away. The terms, no matter how trivial, are still terms by definition, which constitutes this as a surrender, not white peace. Thank and you and come again. <.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage3 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1282630085' post='2429040'] You mean I shouldn't take your leadership's word at face value? [/quote] I'd caution against that, that is how all of this started. But if you thought you would not surrender, then you are being stupid. And your tears are delicious. And your objections are REALLY trivial and silly. And if what was offered was so horrible, you should have simply used diplomac-...on the other hand, you did what was best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1282630157' post='2429043'] So it's okay for an alliance to lie about terms but not okay for an alliance to give $6.000.000 to a nation? [/quote] I do believe RoK personally wasn't asking for any terms, and since it was a joint war their ally is allowed to ask for something thus RoK did not necessarily break its promise in my opinion. But of course people will continue to complain about a beer review. I mean they have Corinan so I really don't see why they would complain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted August 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1282630320' post='2429051'] I'd caution against that, that is how all of this started. But if you thought you would not surrender, then you are being stupid. And your tears are delicious. And your objections are REALLY trivial and silly. And if what was offered was so horrible, you should have simply used diplomac-...on the other hand, you did what was best. [/quote] Ah. Right. Diplomacy. That would be when I talk to your leader and work out an agreement right? Like what was done? Yea. Tried that. You wanted no truck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1282630360' post='2429052'] I do believe RoK personally wasn't asking for any terms, and since it was a joint war their ally is allowed to ask for something thus RoK did not necessarily break its promise in my opinion. But of course people will continue to complain about a beer review. I mean they have Corinan so I really don't see why they would complain [/quote] RoK is the alliance that presented the terms. You're not even trying here, WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1282630437' post='2429055'] Ah. Right. Diplomacy. That would be when I talk to your leader and work out an agreement right? Like what was done? Yea. Tried that. You wanted no truck with it. [/quote] Diplomacy? You mean like when an alliance leader tells you not to aid a nation who's at war with his protectorate and you do it anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2burnt2eat Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='rodrod' timestamp='1282630271' post='2429050'] Surrendering=/=Walking away. Hoo said White peace, with NSO just walking away. This isn't just NSO walking away. The terms, no matter how trivial, are still terms by definition, which constitutes this as a surrender, not white peace. Thank and you and come again. <.< [/quote] But see, this is okay. Because the only thing Kaitlink cares about and thinks that matters is money. Nevermind the war that cost billions, or what the extortion of a man's word is worth. As she says, [i]"I dont see ANY mention of reparations or demands unless of course you count the alliance crushing requirement of a beer review?"[/i] Apparently, in this new day and age, simply not asking for reps is the new PR game. Most excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1282630085' post='2429040'] You mean I shouldn't take your leadership's word at face value? [/quote] Not this time, only at the beginning of the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1282630320' post='2429051'] I'd caution against that, that is how all of this started. But if you thought you would not surrender, then you are being stupid. And your tears are delicious. And your objections are REALLY trivial and silly. And if what was offered was so horrible, you should have simply used diplomac-...on the other hand, you did what was best. [/quote] Yes, we're bawwing simply because of the fact we're calling someone out on lying, despite this war being ostensibly about us not being smart enough to realize that everything Hoo says should be 100% taken at face value. But perhaps you don't see the irony in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1282630490' post='2429056'] RoK is the alliance that presented the terms. You're not even trying here, WC. [/quote] Would you prefer VE did? Of course someone has to present them, and RoK is the logical choice to. And of course they will have conferred with their allies from the war in the terms for ending the war. If their ally happened to ask for it, it would still have to be included when presented to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted August 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1282630498' post='2429057'] Diplomacy? You mean like when an alliance leader tells you not to aid a nation who's at war with his protectorate and you do it anyway? [/quote] Are we really going to argue this again? We've admitted (in several threads) the misjudgment that occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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