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Who's Tech Dealing With The Gramlins

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Since March 31, 2010, the following is the list of alliances sorted by amount who are sending tech to The Gramlins.


The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-04-31 Aid Received

Alliance Tech
Federation of Allied Republics 700
Fallen Knights 650
Mostly Harmless Alliance 250
Peoples Order of Truth 200
Sanitarium 200
Army of the Twelve Monkeys 150
Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 150
SOS Brigade 150
Sparta 150
The Democratic Order 150
The Mafia 150
The Ninjas 150
IAA POW 100
League of Soviet Nations 100
NATO 100
None 100
World Federation 100
All for Yellow 50
Alliance of international defence 50
Avalanche 50
Blue Turtle Alliance 50
Bushido 50
Citadel Trading Company 50
Conservative Politically Allied Countries 50
Darkstar 50
Invicta 50
League of Imperial Nations 50
Nordreich 50
Nusantara Elite Warriors 50
Pirates of the Parrot Order 50
Regnum Invictorum 50
RnR 50
Rome 50
Saint Patricks Brigade 50
Sphinx Order 50
The Blood Brothers 50
The Confederation of Canada 50
The Golden Horde 50
The Legion 50
The Order of New World Domination 50
World Task Force Applicant 50
Total Received Aid 4,750



Here is updated information as of May 3, 2010

[center]The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-05-03 Aid[/center]
[b]Received
Alliance Money Tech Soldiers [/b]
Federation of Allied Republics 0 1,000 0
Fallen Knights 0 650 0
Mostly Harmless Alliance 0 350 0
Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 0 200 0
Peoples Order Of Truth 0 200 0
Sanitarium 0 200 0
SOS Brigade 0 200 0
Sparta 3 200 0
The Democratic Order 0 200 0
Army of the Twelve Monkeys 0 150 0
[s]Global Democratic Alliance[/s] 0 150 0 [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=2286272]Bob of Mushroom Kingdom[/url]
The Mafia 0 150 0
The Ninjas 0 150 0
Blue Turtle Alliance 0 100 0
Citadel Trading Company 0 100 0
IAA POW 0 100 0
League of Soviet Nations 0 100 0
NATO 0 100 0
None 0 100 10
Nordreich 0 100 0
RnR 0 100 0
Seaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes 0 100 0
The Golden Horde 0 100 0
World Federation 0 100 0
Black Water military contracting 0 85 0
All for Yellow 0 50 0
Alliance of international defence 0 50 0
Avalanche 0 50 0
Bushido 0 50 2,000
Celestial Being 0 50 0
Conservative Politically Allied Countries 0 50 0
Darkstar 0 50 0
Invicta 0 50 0
League of Imperial Nations 0 50 0
Nusantara Elite Warriors 3,000,000 50 0
ODN Applicant 0 50 0
Pirates of the Parrot Order 0 50 0
Regnum Invictorum 0 50 0
Rome 0 50 0
Saint Patricks Brigade 0 50 0
SNAFU 0 50 0
Sphinx Order 0 50 0
The Blood Brothers 0 50 0
The Confederation of Canada 0 50 0
The Dragon Coalition 0 50 0
The Foreign Division 0 50 0
The Legion 0 50 0
The Order of New World Domination 0 50 0
Union of Integrated National Entities 0 50 0
United Purple Nations 0 50 0
World Task Force Applicant 0 50 0
Boards Alliance of Protectorate States 3,000,000 0 0
Poison Clan 3,000,000 0 2,000
=LOST= 3,000,000 0 0
Total Received Aid 12,000,003 6,285 4,010


[center]War Stats
The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-05-03 Wars[/center]
[b]Offensive
Alliance Total Wars[/b]
Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations 1
Independent Republic of Orange Nations 7
The Citadel 1
Total Offensive 9

[b]Defensive
Alliance Total Wars[/b]
Asshat Union 3
Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations 29
Independent Republic of Orange Nations 79
The Citadel 3
Total Defensive 114

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I sell tech to them. This round was who ever got to me fastest over irc for my wonder. BUt i'll probably sell to them after the end of this current tech schedule.

Note: I'm the only one in Sanitarium selling to them.

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I like how you are defending aiding an alliance at war, I do like it.

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There was a time when sending tech, cash or troops; to an alliance at war was an act of war on the other alliance involved. I’m not sure when that changed. It’s up to IRON and DAWN if they feel a need to talk to these other alliances about the tech being sent to gRAMlins. However there has been a new policy set in CN that there is no expiration date on a CB so you never know some of these transgressions may be called out sometime in the future, depending on how IRON and DAWN are received when they come to call about your tech deals. As an ally of these two alliances I’m not happy to see other alliances spit in their face like this.

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[quote name='MNNorthStars' date='20 April 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1271813121' post='2268515']
Deal with it, etc.
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I believe this is a part of dealing with it. However, given how many alliances are supporting Ramlins, it requires a certain amount of outside the box work.

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I posted in the Blackmarket several FAR tech sellers that needed deals.

Many buyers sent $3mil to kickoff the deals. Every buyer in CN had the chance to get it in these tech deals. Gramlins happens to be one of many.

Many alliances are tech dealing with Gramlins and IRON [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Independent%20Republic%20Of%20Orange%20Nations&anyallexact=exact"](IRON AID)[/url].

This topic is pathetic and one sided.

Bilrow, I'll give a poo when you post all aid IRON/allies have received. Post a Who Is Dealing with IRON and DAWN.

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[quote name='Lord Brendan' date='20 April 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1271814353' post='2268543']
tl;dr roll FAR if you want to help IRON
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It's a valid source of aid. Deal with it.

(And yes I know you're kidding)

[quote name='bigwoody' date='20 April 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1271815465' post='2268564']
I believe this is a part of dealing with it. However, given how many alliances are supporting Ramlins, it requires a certain amount of outside the box work.
[/quote]

We're not supporting Gremlins.

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[quote name='Natan' date='20 April 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1271815757' post='2268568']
So what the hell should we do with this list?

Roll everyone on it?
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We dont do anything with this list but shake our head and ask why. Its up to IRON and DAWN to go to these alliance and let them know that to aid gRAMlins is an act of war and to please stop.What they do with this information is up to them.

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I think the point was that everyone is talking about how much they hate gramlins (and rightfully so), this is their chance to actually do something about it. Pressure those currently dealing with them to stop, it also alerts alliance leaders if there are members of their alliance doing it.

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[quote name='Fernando12' date='20 April 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1271815858' post='2268572']
I posted in the Blackmarket several FAR tech sellers that needed deals.

Many buyers sent $3mil to kickoff the deals. Every buyer in CN had the chance to get it in these tech deals. Gramlins happens to be one of many.

Many alliances are tech dealing with Gramlins and IRON [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Independent%20Republic%20Of%20Orange%20Nations&anyallexact=exact"](IRON AID)[/url].

This topic is pathetic and one sided.

Bilrow, I'll give a poo when you post all aid IRON/allies have received. Post a Who Is Dealing with IRON and DAWN.
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So I assume you would have no beef if I did tech deals with an alliance you were at war with? Generally one <i>suspends</i> dealing with any party at war. You don't take their money and run, rather you bank it and repay them post war. Actually it would have been your alliance's best interest to suspend the deal. You could have invested the money in the sellers nations, helped used it to cover a sled or a larger infra purchase at the end of a sled and grown your nations that much faster, all while complying with accepted standards. It would have pretty much been win-win for you to suspend the deals, as opposed to your current path.

If nothing else, I'd advise keeping a lower profile. I doubt IRON was planning on hunting down tech sellers, but if you posture and scream enough they might decide to pay you a visit at some point. Like others have said, casus bellis don't seem to expire anymore.

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[quote name='ironchef' date='20 April 2010 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1271815060' post='2268554']
There was a time when sending tech, cash or troops; to an alliance at war was an act of war on the other alliance involved. I’m not sure when that changed. It’s up to IRON and DAWN if they feel a need to talk to these other alliances about the tech being sent to gRAMlins.
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I think that's kind of how it's changed, the alliances that are being wronged (theoretically anyway) don't really bother to pressure alliances to end tech dealing with their opponents because in general a lot of those deals dry up during a war. Only FAR and Fallen Knights have really eye-brow raising amounts of aid going out to Gramlins, and most of the rest are almost not worth pursuing due to how small it is within the scale of the war as a whole. Obviously 5k tech adds up, but it's only 2% of Gramlins total tech, and it's way lower than the amount of tech Gramlins would be importing without the war.

I could be wrong though.

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[quote name='Shodemofi' date='20 April 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1271816354' post='2268581']
I think the point was that everyone is talking about how much they hate gramlins (and rightfully so), this is their chance to actually do something about it. Pressure those currently dealing with them to stop, it also alerts alliance leaders if there are members of their alliance doing it.
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Look, that's great, I'm not the biggest fan of Gremlins either. But, in the case of my alliance, there's quite a few nations who have established tech deals that they've been doing for awhile. We're not going to ask them to stop because someone's doing something that is completely irrelevant/unimportant to us.

There are around six alliances on that list that are directly or indirectly tied to IRON. If you want to !@#$%* and moan clean your own house first.

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[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='20 April 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1271816039' post='2268574']
We're not supporting Gremlins.
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Sorry Mr. D normally we agree, but right now, I wish your words matched your (alliances's)actions.

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[font="Comic Sans MS"][color="#FFFF00"]Absolutely disgusting.[/color][/font]

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[quote name='supercoolyellow' date='20 April 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1271816593' post='2268592']
Sorry Mr. D normally we agree, but right now, I wish your words matched your (alliances's)actions.
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No, it's called supply and demand. They want it we have it. As Jefferson pointed out it's a very negligible amount of technology.If you think stopping a whole 700 tech from going to them will stop Ramirus' deluded logic well...sorry.

Let me make this clear, the Federation of Allied Republics does not support asking for the unconditional surrender of any alliance.

[quote name='Tran Hung Dao' date='20 April 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1271816515' post='2268586']
If nothing else, I'd advise keeping a lower profile. I doubt IRON was planning on hunting down tech sellers, but if you posture and scream enough they might decide to pay you a visit at some point. Like others have said, casus bellis don't seem to expire anymore.
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Fine attack us, I welcome it. That is, if you get the stones to do it.

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[quote name='Tran Hung Dao' date='20 April 2010 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1271816515' post='2268586']
Generally one <i>suspends</i> dealing with any party at war.
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Do you have any evidence of this?

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[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='20 April 2010 - 09:28 PM' timestamp='1271816898' post='2268603']

Let me make this clear, the Federation of Allied Republics does not support asking for the unconditional surrender of any alliance.

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700 tech says you do :rolleyes:

I can claim to play for the NBA all day, but that would never change the fact that I don't.

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And yet, nobody really cares. This moral high-ground e-posturing around Gramlins and her allies by the very people who just got rolled (IRON and friends) and the lonely NPO is getting hilarious.

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