Nizzle Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Only until the curbstomped side runs out of nukes. Unpossible. It will come down to who milks their warchest longer and how long staggers can be kept to avoid TOP getting into peacemode. I'd be extremely surprised if Citadel survives this. You know, I'm seeing a lot of this. I'm sure something has leaked, but it's from quite a long time ago. Prior to this war, for sure. Prior to Gremlins' withdrawal, definitely. I don't want anyone to be seen as a prophet or "I told you so." but those "in the know" should realize Citadel hasn't been effective in quite a while. I know this won't stop the constant stream of "zomg this is because of TOP" when it is canceled...but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) Only until the curbstomped side runs out of nukes. How expensive do you think nukes are? At the lower levels it's usually pretty easy to slip into peace mode as those member don't tend to be inactive. You then buy up to 1000 infra, and buy 25 nukes, which works out to what, 40m? Sure those nukes will not be blowing up very expensive infra, but take it from a guy that's been nuked at 3000-4000 infra a couple times, it's annoying as hell when you're trying to get up to full spies/MP/SDI/infra and working on getting warchest compliant. How so? A nation can only be nuked once per day. As it stands our side has a lot more nukes and a lot more nations so while in the short run TOP's tech advantage may mean they do more damage on average, in the long term we have a lot more nations and a lot more nukes so draw your own conclusions from that. You pretty much just answered your own question, a nation can only be nuked once per day. If someone is in 5 wars and getting a lot of nukes through, they are taking a lot more damage than the nation sending said nukes. The curbstomped alliance gets beat fast, but they send out a lot more nukes than they take. This is what MK did to NPO during the WoTC. Edited January 29, 2010 by Kaiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I think what people are forgetting is that NpO is not allied to TOP or IRON. As far as I'm aware TOP/IRON didn't tell Polaris that they would be attacking C&G so NpO really had no reason to inform them that they were close to peace. Haha, this is cracking me up. Apparently you didn't know what was all said in our "coalition." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anenu Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Well, one SF member and one of the two might-as-well-be-in-SF alliances have already declared war against IRON, so we won't be far behind. RIA RoK GOD Fark - > Declared on IRON R&R CSN VE - the 7th SF member in all but formality Sparta - the 8th SF member in all but formality - > Declared on IRON So SF is already in But i thought Sparta was the 8th member of CnG does that make them the 15th member of SuperComplaints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You know, I'm seeing a lot of this. I'm sure something has leaked, but it's from quite a long time ago. Prior to this war, for sure. Prior to Gremlins' withdrawal, definitely. I don't want anyone to be seen as a prophet or "I told you so." but those "in the know" should realize Citadel hasn't been effective in quite a while. I know this won't stop the constant stream of "zomg this is because of TOP" when it is canceled...but oh well. Which is why he won't be surprised if Cit is gone. Things just pile onto a breaking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkan Banania Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Everyone who is not in C&G or TOP will win. Except IRON. They lose worst of all. This is a rather naive approach, I would expect more from you. It is obvious that a new political hegemony arise from the ashes of this war. Anyway as with all wars determination is the key. I think that if TOP, IRON, TORN and DAWN stay together they will manage to overcome the odds and get out in one piece, not as the winning side of course, but regardless in one peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Win is whoever makes the other side surrender. Draw by that definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 But i thought Sparta was the 8th member of CnG does that make them the 15th member of SuperComplaints? Indeed it does, indeed it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Even though I don't really care for them, going with CnG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardo Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Admin will be the real winner, as people buy $20 donations to rebuild their nations after the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I don't see how anyone can vote for TOP here. They basically gave Umbrella the finger with their declaration and MHA is lined up against them too. That leaves them with TSO and maybe a few others with possibly a handful of IRON's allies. Meanwhile they've aggressively attacked C&G, which basically activates half the MDPs on the planet. Well, one SF member and one of the two might-as-well-be-in-SF alliances have already declared war against IRON, so we won't be far behind. RIA RoK GOD Fark - > Declared on IRON R&R CSN VE - the 7th SF member in all but formality Sparta - the 8th SF member in all but formality - > Declared on IRON So SF is already in Not a big Monos Archein fan I guess? That's harsh man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I have no doubt that TOP will leave a huge dent in our bloc, but people voting for a TOP victory need a reality check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) I don't see how anyone can vote for TOP here. They basically gave Umbrella the finger with their declaration and MHA is lined up against them too. That leaves them with TSO and maybe a few others with possibly a handful of IRON's allies. Meanwhile they've aggressively attacked C&G, which basically activates half the MDPs on the planet. Not a big Monos Archein fan I guess? That's harsh man. I knew I forgot someone MA Edited January 29, 2010 by James Dahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddog241 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 C&G will win. this party just started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) I think what people are forgetting is that NpO is not allied to TOP or IRON. As far as I'm aware TOP/IRON didn't tell Polaris that they would be attacking C&G so NpO really had no reason to inform them that they were close to peace. NpO may not have a treaty with TOP or IRON, but when allies are puting their behinds to defend your cause, I think they deserve some courtesy. For the second part, if we in Sparta, had a good perception that IRON was coming (based on stats and logic, you could see by our counterattack), How NpO didnt know more about their own side? edit: typos Edited January 29, 2010 by King Louis the II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 NpO may not have a treaty with TOP or IRON, but when allies are puting their behinds to defend your cause, I think they deserve some courtesy. For the second part, if we in Sparta, had a good perception that IRON was coming (based on stats and logic, you could see by our counterattack), How NpO didnt know more about their on side? edit: typos How is TOP and IRON attacking C&G, a bloc staying out of the fight due to treaty conflicts, defending NpO? They are, in point of fact, attacking NpO's allies, and none of the alliances currently fighting NpO or her allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 How is TOP and IRON attacking C&G, a bloc staying out of the fight due to treaty conflicts, defending NpO? They are, in point of fact, attacking NpO's allies, and none of the alliances currently fighting NpO or her allies. So you are saying that TOP and Iron attacks don't have anything to do with NpO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) So you are saying that TOP and Iron attacks don't have anything to do with NpO? Explain to me how their attacks help defend NpO? How is attacking a bloc trying to stay out of the conflict due to conflicting treaties and working towards a resolution, and of whom many are directly allied to NpO, helping to defend NpO? The "defending NpO" just looks like a smokescreen thrown up there to disguise an unprovoked attack of opportunity against C&G. Edited January 29, 2010 by James Dahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) Explain to me how their attacks help defend NpO? How is attacking a bloc trying to stay out of the conflict due to conflicting treaties and working towards a resolution, and of whom many are directly allied to NpO, helping to defend NpO? The "defending NpO" just looks like a smokescreen thrown up there to disguise an unprovoked attack of opportunity against C&G. I guess we have different perceptions of this war. You view as two wars and I view as one. I respect your opinion (but I disagree). For my alliance make no difference because we are allied to many SF and C&G (actually RIA is our ally AND a close friend). I think your perception of the neutrality of C&G is not accurate. anyway, best wishes for you and your alliance. Edited January 29, 2010 by King Louis the II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Complaints and Grievances will probably be victorious, but not without huge losses. The real winner is a non-combatant nation such as my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdnss69 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 CnG have already called in (or have received) a fair few large hitter alliances on their side. When [if] Citadel roll in, it will make an awful mess of things. As already pointed out, TOP can probably keep going for quite a while. Ask again in a week and you will get very different results to the ones in the poll now I'm guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I guess we have different perceptions of this war. You view as two wars and I view as one. I respect your opinion (but I disagree). For my alliance make no difference because we are allied to many SF and C&G (actually RIA is our ally AND a close friend). I think your perception of the neutrality of C&G is not accurate. anyway, best wishes for you and your alliance. Hey I love you guys, this isn't anything against Sparta at all. I just think you're being much too charitable about TOP's motivations here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hey I love you guys, this isn't anything against Sparta at all. I just think you're being much too charitable about TOP's motivations here I didn't perceive as such my friend. and I can be wrong about my perceptions as well. I agree with you in the sense that the pre-emptive TOP/IRON wasn't really cool because nobody really could say FOR SURE that C&G was going. My point is that, whatever was TOP/IRON motive was, It would have been courteus of NpO to let them know that negotiations were near (look like they told NSO and STA). However, If you consider two unrelated wars, it would make sense that such notice was unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I didn't perceive as such my friend. and I can be wrong about my perceptions as well. I agree with you in the sense that the pre-emptive TOP/IRON wasn't really cool because nobody really could say FOR SURE that C&G was going. My point is that, whatever was TOP/IRON motive was, It would have been courteus of NpO to let them know that negotiations were near (look like they told NSO and STA). However, If you consider two unrelated wars, it would make sense that such notice was unnecessary. The thing is though, not only is NpO not allied to TOP or IRON, but TOP and IRON weren't even involved in the fighting, so why should NpO tell them the status of peace negotiations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowdog07 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 regardless of those stats, TOP has more then enough cash/tech to last a lonnnnnng time, after 8k nukes insane infra/tech lost i think CnG and TOP will find a way to end this Just a note, but C&G had 9700 nukes starting this conflict and looking at the TOP warchests reported, you overestimate their abilities to fight long term. For their nation sizes they're nothing above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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