Rulesaints Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 This is sad to see, Tailsk. At least you gave it a shot and was happy with how things were going while they lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Gnoooooooo! This makes me very sad. Good luck to you all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leucifer Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sorry to see, good luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Meanwhile, your first and second in command will be joining TOP, an alliance completely unrelated to VE and Tetris on the opposite side of the treaty web.Seriously, I'll never understand this. "We encourage you to join this alliance, but we're sure not going to. Oh, no, we'll be going to the exact opposite of that alliance." It's happened more than once, but seriously. What? That's absolutely ridiculous. TailsK has the sovereign right and free will to go wherever he wants to. He probably suggested VE and Tetris due to his loyalties elsewhere and perhaps agreements that if Epicurean did disband, where they'd fold into. He's a sovereign nation with free will to make his own decisions. So where did you want him to do? What did you want him to do? To be happy to conform to your ideas of proper disbandment? To suggest folding into an alliance so long as it was on your side of the treaty web although he as a nation wouldn't enjoy it there? Give me a break. Good luck to Tails and the rest of the Epicurean AA. Sorry it didn't work out Tails, much respect. Edited January 9, 2010 by The AUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coven Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Best of luck folks. Always loved your flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ying Yang Mafia Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 That's absolutely ridiculous. TailsK has the sovereign right and free will to go wherever he wants to. He probably suggested VE and Tetris due to his loyalties elsewhere and perhaps agreements that if Epicurean did disband, where they'd fold into. He's a sovereign nation with free will to make his own decisions. So where did you want him to do? What did you want him to do? To be happy to conform to your ideas of proper disbandment? To suggest folding into an alliance so long as it was on your side of the treaty web although he as a nation wouldn't enjoy it there? Give me a break. It doesn't make much sense to invite members to join a certain alliance when oneself is headed in a completely opposite direction. I'm all for sovereign rights and free will, but for a leader to encourage members to join a certain alliance (or in this case alliances) while he or she is headed to a completely different alliance on the opposite end of the treaty web just looks bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It doesn't make much sense to invite members to join a certain alliance when oneself is headed in a completely opposite direction. I'm all for sovereign rights and free will, but for a leader to encourage members to join a certain alliance (or in this case alliances) while he or she is headed to a completely different alliance on the opposite end of the treaty web just looks bad. Yeah well note that down on the list of things you hate about Epicurean and build up your case against us, so in the future .... Oh wait, we're disbanded, your opinion is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 That's absolutely ridiculous. TailsK has the sovereign right and free will to go wherever he wants to. He probably suggested VE and Tetris due to his loyalties elsewhere and perhaps agreements that if Epicurean did disband, where they'd fold into. He's a sovereign nation with free will to make his own decisions. So where did you want him to do? What did you want him to do? To be happy to conform to your ideas of proper disbandment? To suggest folding into an alliance so long as it was on your side of the treaty web although he as a nation wouldn't enjoy it there? Give me a break.Good luck to Tails and the rest of the Epicurean AA. Sorry it didn't work out Tails, much respect. Unsure did not say TailsK couldn't go wherever he wanted. What he said was that if TailsK truly felt that those alliances would be the best ones for his members to join upon his alliance's disbandment, it'd make sense for him to join them himself. Even though he's disbanding his alliance, by suggesting his members join whatever alliance upon disbandment, he's exercising what leadership he has left. The best leaders lead by example. QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroman Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 This is somewhat sad news. I'm sorry to hear you guys couldn't keep up with the alliance. Good luck to you Tailsk and the other fine members of Epicurean. I'm sure you'll all go quite far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ying Yang Mafia Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Yeah well note that down on the list of things you hate about Epicurean and build up your case against us, so in the future .... Oh wait, we're disbanded, your opinion is moot. Mongrel you should know full well that I don't hate Epicurean nor the people who were in it. Edited January 9, 2010 by Ying Yang Mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah well note that down on the list of things you hate about Epicurean and build up your case against us, so in the future .... Oh wait, we're disbanded, your opinion is moot. I can see you are taking to your new AA well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsK Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It doesn't make much sense to invite members to join a certain alliance when oneself is headed in a completely opposite direction. I'm all for sovereign rights and free will, but for a leader to encourage members to join a certain alliance (or in this case alliances) while he or she is headed to a completely different alliance on the opposite end of the treaty web just looks bad. It also doesn't make sense for every member of a disbanded alliance to go to the same place. I am merely giving people a suggestion. I want people to go to where they feel they will be comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Cool beans guys. One less micro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Unsure did not say TailsK couldn't go wherever he wanted. What he said was that if TailsK truly felt that those alliances would be the best ones for his members to join upon his alliance's disbandment, it'd make sense for him to join them himself. Even though he's disbanding his alliance, by suggesting his members join whatever alliance upon disbandment, he's exercising what leadership he has left. The best leaders lead by example. QED. Not necessarily true. For example, when EPIC folded due to internal matters, I knew some of the members would probably get along well in MK, but as for myself, not so much. It would have been folly for me to 'lead by example' and join an alliance that I would have been less than happy in. I don't know what Tails' reasoning for his decision is, but I'm sure he has his reasons and they are probably quite legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Archer Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sorry to see it didn't work out for you guys. Good luck in your new homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Mongrel you should know full well that I don't hate Epicurean nor the people who were in it. It's something I call sarcasm, you should give it a try someday. My point was you're complaining about something that's totally irrelevant. I think Lord Boris just voiced it pretty well. The alliance has disbanded, we're all on our own so I don't see why anyone needs an explanation of why I chose where I'm going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sad to see this. Best of luck, Epicureans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ying Yang Mafia Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It's something I call sarcasm, you should give it a try someday. My point was you're complaining about something that's totally irrelevant. I think Lord Boris just voiced it pretty well. The alliance has disbanded, we're all on our own so I don't see why anyone needs an explanation of why I chose where I'm going. I'm clearly not complaining, I could care less where you, Tails, or any other member of Epicurean ends up. But, as stated before, this is another example of an instance where leaders encourage their members to do one thing and then proceed to do another (sometimes bordering on a complete opposite). Actions speak louder than words, especially when the words and actions are inconsistent with each other. As for an explanation of why you chose TOP...I never asked for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Maximus Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sorry to see this Tails, I wish you luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Unsure did not say TailsK couldn't go wherever he wanted. What he said was that if TailsK truly felt that those alliances would be the best ones for his members to join upon his alliance's disbandment, it'd make sense for him to join them himself. Even though he's disbanding his alliance, by suggesting his members join whatever alliance upon disbandment, he's exercising what leadership he has left. The best leaders lead by example. QED. This type of thinking is too linear to allow for any variables at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It doesn't make much sense to invite members to join a certain alliance when oneself is headed in a completely opposite direction. I'm all for sovereign rights and free will, but for a leader to encourage members to join a certain alliance (or in this case alliances) while he or she is headed to a completely different alliance on the opposite end of the treaty web just looks bad. The alliance is disbanding not merging. If it was a complete merge then it would make sense for Tailsk to join. Otherwise this is a complete recommendation in the disbandment topic. I did the exact thing when I disbanded Planet Express. I gave them a few options among the NOIR sphere of influence and you know what? It worked. On the other hand when I led a merger of an alliance into TOOL I joined with it as well as the rest of the leadership...and it also worked! Both are viable options for a disbandment and merger. Best of luck former members of Epicurean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Look guys, everyone who is trolling Tails and Mongrel for joining TOP should stop. I'll be the first to admit I do not like where they went, being on the opposite side of the treaty web and all, plus I was kinda sorta hoping they'd come to Tetris. That being said, I fully respect their choice and will remain good friends IC and OOC. Good luck guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 I can see you are taking to your new AA well. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ying Yang Mafia Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 The alliance is disbanding not merging. If it was a complete merge then it would make sense for Tailsk to join. Otherwise this is a complete recommendation in the disbandment topic. I did the exact thing when I disbanded Planet Express. I gave them a few options among the NOIR sphere of influence and you know what? It worked. Wouldn't you say the recommendation would be more credible if he was following it himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsK Posted January 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Wouldn't you say the recommendation would be more credible if he was following it himself? I recommended two alliances. I can hardly join both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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