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Pfft. Your side has nations in PM as well. They can come out and hit if they want to.

What?

Nah bro, just busy. If I'm assigned a target, I hit it. If I'm attacked, I hit it back. Pretty simple really.

Yes, but then it wouldn't be as funny when your side starts complaining about rubbish like this.

What a rubbish thread this is. I was sitting there for about two weeks out of PM and none of you cowards attacked me. Don't complain about nations being in peace mode when you're too scared to fight the ones that aren't. In fact, I'm here, waiting again. Come get some.

You used to be cool, Rota...

Brr, it's cold in here! Must be some Polar in the atmosphere! Hail TOP o/ Hail Polaris o/

I don't want to be in a gov with HoT... Pretty much the dream team right here. :)

It's amazing how much D34th seems to care about our leak. :)

So I rub up against people when I say hi! Is that so wrong?

In time we will become The Order of the Pony. Congrats all - and thank you Lum for your hard work. A well deserved award!

People still declaring at this stage?

So you're saying that your previous actions have no bearing on the current chain of events, but when it comes to dealing with MK diplomatically, theirs do?

You "think" you approached your gov first? You're not even sure? If you did, what did your gov do? You're saying MK / o ya baby made a mistake. They've admitted it (hence this thread). But at the same time, it doesn't sound like you made any significant diplomatic effort to point out that they made an error.

I have a question for you, HoT... Did you at any point approach MK, o ya baby or even your own gov to ask the issue be resolved, before posting on the OWF?

I'm not blaming the victim. I honestly don't care. I'm stating fact. I went to ask Shadow (specifically) another question. He wasn't there. As for holding Legatus' hand, that's not the case. I'm not privy to any of the discussions he had with RIA or o ya baby. Unfortunately for you, people are judged on their previous actions. Peoples' actions are often what define a person.

Thanks for the heads up ;) My point still stands about a senator representing a team colour, not just an alliance. That's how I view them anyways.

Wow, there's a lot to go through here - most of it seemingly irrelevant to the issue at hand. I think there a few important points to raise (forgive me if they have been raised and I didn't see them): Since when is a senator a representative ONLY of an alliance? They are not. They are a representative of a team colour. If you look at o ya baby's vote count, it exceeds that of the number of members in MK. Another key fact that people seem to be missing is that HoT has previously gone rogue on the alliance that requested the sanction. When there is no declaration of war and no acknowledgement from RIA government for days, why is it so unreasonable for people to see that a legitimate mistake could have been made?

Favours? What favours? Your side approached our side for peace talks. We attended. Terms could not be reached. I'm not aware of any major criticism from either side (apart from the "omg this particular person was a douche bag", which will always happen). The key difference here is, that rather than progressing to the next round, NPO gets decided to get involved because they don't have confidence in their allies negotiating peace. This is where the criticism lies - not with peace talks themselves. It's an important distinction you should make.

Threads? Granted, I don't frequent the OWF too often, but I'm not aware of a "crapflood" of posts dissing your coalition or significant claims that we're winning. But then again, a month and a half after the war, people on your front are still asking for help and we are still being declared on... This DoW is different though. It was in response to someone on your side not being present at a meeting that your coalition (or parts of it) organised - not in response to our actions or those of our allies. I, and many others, have enjoyed many aspects of this war. In particular, those who we have engaged with. Those who have entered this war without bias have seen that TOP is not the scourge that some of you make us out to be. Perhaps "upset" was the wrong word to use, but it is where much of your animosity towards TOP seems to stem from. Do not use an experience from years ago or the OWF to gauge what an alliance is truly like.

chefjoe, I don't mind you, but this is absolute rubbish. TOP's true face? What are you even talking about? NPO's reasoning behind any of this is laughable. You know it, I know it. Ai can negotiate themselves. The people fighting with TOP can represent themselves. Even if someone wasn't present, do you really think their allies would sign off without the relevant parties agreeing first? If yes, it says more about your coalition than anyone of us could in this thread. Even when speaking to people in your coalition, including government, they were surprised to see the NPO DoW. They have acknowledged countless times that your coalition is in shambles with many of them wanting peace. The true test will be how much NPO tries to control negotiations. If they have any respect for their allies, they will leave the negotiations to the people have been fighting the war for over a month. When our side is ready? Or do you mean when NPO is ready? You're smarter than this Sigrun. There is no other reason NPO would want to get involved at this level, other than their own selfish desires. And honestly, get over the ban... It's not something to be so upset over.

Thanks for that spreadsheet btw guys - I forgot to record all my pre-war stats! :)

So why not just allow Ai to be there?

Good thing you guys sent in one whole nation to assist...

Did you ask NPO to take over peace negotiations for the entire coalition too? Or is that just a bonus for them?