King Death II Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Stickmen v2.0? Your logic fails on a couple points here. 1) If NPO wanted to dominate the sphere, they would not need to be in Red Dawn to do so. In fact, that runs contradictory to ruling the sphere. 2) At least in this case, competition = strife. You explicitly state you wish to challenge NPO. I'd call that strife, and unnnecessary strife at that. Why can't you just play nice with your neighbors? 1. Wouldn't gathering as many allies as you can help you dominate anything for that matter? Any good strategian would do that, the more allies you have, the more power you have 2. Silly answer: Its not fun lolStickmen Edited November 13, 2009 by King Death II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 We dont want to be a part of RD because of NPO's influence. We are trying to create a new age in the Red sphere which is not solely dependent on NPO because of their stats. We want to create a red team where there is more than just 1 big player dominating the sphere. Basically our goal is to show that: Red Team =/= NPO only Good luck Seriously King Death you're letting your ego get in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Good luck Seriously King Death you're letting your ego get in the way. Just a note, I didnt write this, Ray of SWF did. Anyways its not only me that is in this treaty, its 2 more alliances too. Im the only one posting cuz the others are like in Europe and still sleeping or something Edited November 13, 2009 by King Death II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 So when are you changing the name from solidarity, or is the name supposed to be ironic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Just a note, I didnt write this, Ray of SWF did. Anyways its not only me that is in this treaty, its 2 more alliances too. Im the only one posting cuz the others are like in Europe and still sleeping or something Good luck Seriously Solidarity you're letting your egos get in the way. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 This is awesome. I have been tossing and turning every night worried about the solidarity of the Red Team. I may just go to bed early tonight to take advantage of my new found restful sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) We talked to 2 of the signatories and they both said the same thing and we didnt want to waste our time when we saw they did not want to be a part of this. What? The reason UED's nations arent all on the red team because I havent asked them to change. You know, most alliances worth something try to get their members on one team, and although most always there will be one or two or a few off the team, usually a least a simply majority is on the team. And you didn't bother asking them? So let me get this straight. You're telling me that getting your alliance's internal affairs is a low priority, yet causing a split in the red team works? Son, listen, you ain't big enough to be playing politics yet, and I don't think you should even bother until you can be sure your alliance actually stands a chance at lasting. Considering you don't even bother getting your boys all on one team, I honest am not too confident at the moment. We dont want to be a part of RD because of NPO's influence. We are trying to create a new age in the Red sphere which is not solely dependent on NPO because of their stats. We want to create a red team where there is more than just 1 big player dominating the sphere. Basically our goal is to show that: Red Team =/= NPO only Now I don't know where you're living, but where I come from size usually does matter. Considering NPO is many times larger than all other red alliance combined, I think it goes without saying that they're going to have a lot of influence on red. That will change, obviously, yes, as other red team alliances grow in size, but that is an irrelevant point. NPO has been quite generous, they gave CoJ a senator and they've been quite cooperative. For some reason I don't think they're the bogeyman you're playing them out to be. Also if you guys think this is to create "strife", its far from that. This is a healthy dose of competition. Think of it as a test to see if NPO can put their stats to good use. What the..... I don't know about you, but "healthy competition" usually leads to strife as people being to compete instead of cooperating. And you want the NPO to put their stats to good use? What are you saying? They already vote well. Do you want them to roll you or something? Seriously, is there any thought going on over there? You're not making any sense, and for some reason I don't think that's intentional. Another thing, you can call RD a "half assed" job because it does not incorporate all the red team alliances too. Last time I checked Red Dawn wasn't out to exclude any alliances on red. The ironically named Solidarity bloc seems different though. Edited November 14, 2009 by Rebel Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 We talked to 2 of the signatories and they both said the same thing and we didnt want to waste our time when we saw they did not want to be a part of this. The reason UED's nations arent all on the red team because I havent asked them to change. We dont want to be a part of RD because of NPO's influence. We are trying to create a new age in the Red sphere which is not solely dependent on NPO because of their stats. We want to create a red team where there is more than just 1 big player dominating the sphere. Basically our goal is to show that: Red Team =/= NPO only Also if you guys think this is to create "strife", its far from that. This is a healthy dose of competition. Think of it as a test to see if NPO can put their stats to good use. Another thing, you can call RD a "half assed" job because it does not incorporate all the red team alliances too. The NPO could easily maintain three seats and chooses to assist other alliances in holding a third seat. These are actions rather than words showing that the NPO despite being overwhelmingly the largest alliance on red is interested in building a broader sphere and getting along with its neighbors. The Policy you are pursuing simply lacks a legitimate grievance. Had all of you chosen to join Red Dawn I am not aware of a single dictat that you would receive. The policy you are pursuing seems to be: rather than working with the NPO to create a larger and more prosperous red sphere (a policy which we would support) instead you wish to create a divided red sphere which inevitably hurts all of our long term economic security. I am saddened that you have chosen to pursue such a course of action and hope that the alliances of solidarity will instead join Red Dawn as equal partners and participate in bringing the red sphere into a new age of peaceful expansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Great success in solidifying and unifying the red sphere, guys! This thread is magnificent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerontech Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) You're calling yourself Solidarity? uh...ok then Edited November 14, 2009 by camerontech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iosif Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Brilliant political move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eretz Yisrael Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 What's that you say? UED doesn't have the majority of its members on Red and KD2 isn't trying to change that? I'm shocked! Before trying to peddle your blatant anti-NPO agenda, try at least to have something to back up your bluster. Like an actual Red Team alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 So, basically you're trying to create a quasi-counterbloc against the NPO on their own sphere, and the only reason you're getting away with it is because they are still under terms. Way to piss on their proverbial rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 1. Wouldn't gathering as many allies as you can help you dominate anything for that matter? Any good strategian would do that, the more allies you have, the more power you have2. Silly answer: Its not fun lolStickmen ...If your allies are all of the red sphere, how would you dominate the red sphere? By splitting off, you ensure that NPO will dominate, as you are not part of the treaty meant to give everyone equal share and voice. If you aren't part of that structure, wouldn't it be easier for them to use their influence contrary to your interests? At least in Red Dawn you have a voice. Well, don't spout !@#$%^&* about "solidarity" if you're just being an upstart 'cause it's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Way to piss on their proverbial rug. It really tied the room together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iosif Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Also, I'd like point out that even half-arsed comparisons between this little abomination and the Stickmen Accords really hurt me deeply. At least we keep our act together, whatever you think of our motives behind that act are. Edited November 14, 2009 by Iosif Moldov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 King Death II himself is not on Red, he's on Brown. UED members placed in Red Dawn circles by UED government refuse to join the circles when the rubber hits the road. UED simply lacks the ability to cooperate that an effort like this requires. When Red Dawn ("we") voted on a flag, KDII slapped another one together and started a new poll so that his flag would win. When we named the bloc, KDII made a new name so it was UED's name. When we ratified the treaty KDII scrapped the entire draft and wrote a new one to start the thing all over again. When we amended it and ratified again, UED pulled out, dropped forum hosting, and took SWF with them. As Biff noted, if Solidarity wants to play ball with the Red Senate, they're welcome to cooperate with Red Dawn. If they want to have a large bloc of trading nations available to them, they're welcome to register at Red Dawn where there is a large bloc of trading nations--it's open to any alliance, nation, whatever without regard to AA, no mask even needed to trade. www.cn-reddawn.com If they want open dialogue, they're welcome to talk to Red Dawn without prerequisites like lolNPOsux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Also, I'd like point out that even half-arsed comparisons between this little abomination and the Stickmen Accords really hurt me deeply. At least we keep our act together, whatever you think of our motives behind that act are. I do apologize for that, I suppose it is rather insulting to you. Edited November 14, 2009 by Locke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSkellington Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm just wondering why UED is still around? I beg of you KDII, disband...At least resign from your position. It's pretty obvious you simply can't lead an alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm just wondering why UED is still around? I beg of you KDII, disband...At least resign from your position. It's pretty obvious you simply can't lead an alliance. You have to be able to take orders before you're qualified to give them. You have to be a good follower before you can be a good leader. He's neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrotskysRevenge Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 King Death II himself is not on Red, he's on Brown. UED members placed in Red Dawn circles by UED government refuse to join the circles when the rubber hits the road.UED simply lacks the ability to cooperate that an effort like this requires. When Red Dawn ("we") voted on a flag, KDII slapped another one together and started a new poll so that his flag would win. When we named the bloc, KDII made a new name so it was UED's name. When we ratified the treaty KDII scrapped the entire draft and wrote a new one to start the thing all over again. When we amended it and ratified again, UED pulled out, dropped forum hosting, and took SWF with them. As Biff noted, if Solidarity wants to play ball with the Red Senate, they're welcome to cooperate with Red Dawn. If they want to have a large bloc of trading nations available to them, they're welcome to register at Red Dawn where there is a large bloc of trading nations--it's open to any alliance, nation, whatever without regard to AA, no mask even needed to trade. www.cn-reddawn.com If they want open dialogue, they're welcome to talk to Red Dawn without prerequisites like lolNPOsux. Couldn't have said it better myself. Essentially, KDII couldn't get his way so he took his toys home and is trying something else. But it has inherent problems in that he has an axe to grind, whereas Red Dawn doesn't. Perhaps when he turns 13 he might grow up a bit and realize it doesn't have to be all about him and successful strategy involves collaboration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) You do realize that RD practically failed because of UED and your buddies bailing on us after we decided on everything, right? Also, you do realize that UED isn't even on red, right? Also you do realize th- I give up, I'm gonna stop on that. I could have summarized this bloc in one word, that word being comical This is why Pacifica dominated Red, so idiots couldn't go there. Edited November 14, 2009 by Hell Scream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirdgus Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Hey, maybe this announcement would have made a little more since if UED was a red team alliance by their own definition as the document was posted? On second thought though, nah... also lolsolidarity, did it take you long to come up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 We asked a few of the RD signatories if they wanted in on this, they said no. Its solidarity to those that agreed to it. I suppose we must have missed the invitation to join. As Triyun has said, I find it deeply regretful that an alliance with a number of red nations on it was unable or unwilling to work together with either Red Dawn or my alliance on a bilateral basis. Red Dawn is an excellent means of communication, cooperation and Senate-sharing for the Red Team, and NPO looks forward to its continued participation in the Red Dawn agreement to further the future of the Red Sphere. I also must inquire regarding the peculiarity of your legislative structure. I found it interesting that in the inferior assembly, anyone can sit in it if they're on red, but for the primary assembly, only those nations from members alliances may participate, even if they're not not on red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15pilotX Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 So, basically you're trying to create a quasi-counterbloc against the NPO on their own sphere, and the only reason you're getting away with it is because they are still under terms. Way to piss on their proverbial rug.Well really, they aren't accomplishing anything aside from making fools of themselves...personally, I'm always game for some entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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