Matthew Conrad Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 What, because I thought you fought for Aegis in GWIII, that invalidates all my points? Interesting. So yes, I was wrong on that point. My view of Sparta is the correct one, though, and having somebody from Argent that was arguing vehemently with me in another thread agreeing with me should show you that it's not a view that I've cooked up all by myself. If you refuse to acknowledge the failings of your alliance then it is no concern of mine. You keep saying things like you do have culture besides 300 and that moving spheres is a monumentally complex decision, yet you fail to say why or provide any proof or justification. If I'm so wrong, why won't you prove it? Of course it invalidates your point. The information you tried to use to paint a your picture of us was incorrect. Your "proof" was wrong. What else would I need to prove. I see the basic tenets of making an argument still escape you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 overrated - all neutral alliances underrated - NV, RIA, GATO, MK, TSO, NPO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime minister Johns Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Under-rated: Flying Tigers I for one think that they will return one day to destroy us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Of course it invalidates your point. The information you tried to use to paint a your picture of us was incorrect. Your "proof" was wrong. What else would I need to prove. I see the basic tenets of making an argument still escape you. I had many points, not one, and you refuted a part of one of them. Kudos. Care to address the rest? I said that you fought for Aegis as part of my first point where I said that you fought for Aegis and were moved to Pink. It wasn't even the fact that you fought for Aegis, it was the fact that you accepted moving spheres, and Pink to top it off, as a surrender term. And before you go "lol changing the focus of your post", I'm not. You picked up on the part that was incorrect and made that the subject of discussion. So. Should I give you a link to my list of points and you can start proving that I'm wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I had many points, not one, and you refuted a part of one of them. Kudos. Care to address the rest? I said that you fought for Aegis as part of my first point where I said that you fought for Aegis and were moved to Pink. It wasn't even the fact that you fought for Aegis, it was the fact that you accepted moving spheres, and Pink to top it off, as a surrender term. And before you go "lol changing the focus of your post", I'm not. You picked up on the part that was incorrect and made that the subject of discussion. So. Should I give you a link to my list of points and you can start proving that I'm wrong? Maybe if you took the time to actually read all my posts instead of reading the first line and responding, you would notice I addressed every single one of those. Also, moving to Pink was never a surrender term as there was never a war. You never cease to amaze with your made up history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinite Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I had many points, not one, and you refuted a part of one of them. Kudos. Care to address the rest? I said that you fought for Aegis as part of my first point where I said that you fought for Aegis and were moved to Pink. It wasn't even the fact that you fought for Aegis, it was the fact that you accepted moving spheres, and Pink to top it off, as a surrender term. And before you go "lol changing the focus of your post", I'm not. You picked up on the part that was incorrect and made that the subject of discussion. So. Should I give you a link to my list of points and you can start proving that I'm wrong? I accept this man as an authority on all things Spartan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Maybe if you took the time to actually read all my posts instead of reading the first line and responding, you would notice I addressed every single one of those. Also, moving to Pink was never a surrender term as there was never a war. You never cease to amaze with your made up history. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889328 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889356 There ya go mang, get back to me when you can. Also yes, sorry bout that. For some reason I have it stuck in my head that you were sent to Pink after surrender in GWIII, I must have you confused with someone else. I don't know why I said that when I'd just said I was wrong about GWIII in the post before >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) I find it laughable that TOOL's reputation is based on how many CM's we have, a member who has pretty much retired into our ranks and the way Bama signs his posts off. As far as I can tell you guys are all underating us anyway..... Edited October 8, 2009 by Willem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889328http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889356 There ya go mang, get back to me when you can. Also yes, sorry bout that. For some reason I have it stuck in my head that you were sent to Pink after surrender in GWIII, I must have you confused with someone else. I don't know why I said that when I'd just said I was wrong about GWIII in the post before >_> legion was supposed to go there originally then they took it out of terms, or am i thinking dove war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Blake Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 We went from #3 to #2 when the "status quo shattered." We built up most of our stats while on Pink, and we had fun doing it. As for TOOL surrender terms, TOOL entered the war to defend an ally. Nobody really had a problem with them. Our objective was to knock them out of the war as quickly as possible. We did. I'm the one that ok'd the terms because the terms everyone likes to !@#$%* about were, practically speaking, absolutely meaningless. TOOL was cool throughout the war, and I didn't see the problem with giving them a moral bump. Mia actually did have something t to do with those terms (not to take anything away from GK who was also cool despite being time zonally challenged) because she was one of the reasons we thought TOOL were decent folk. Clearly, it was a mistake. I won't be nice next time. We'll fight for a couple more days for no purpose, we'll retain the option of attacking a couple alliances we never had an intention of attacking, and Sparta will be a better alliance for it. I might have to return for that. also, overrated: Athens Underrated: NEW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889328http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1889356 There ya go mang, get back to me when you can. Also yes, sorry bout that. For some reason I have it stuck in my head that you were sent to Pink after surrender in GWIII, I must have you confused with someone else. I don't know why I said that when I'd just said I was wrong about GWIII in the post before >_> I've addressed your post directly and more after that. I really don't feel like retyping 4 posts worth of material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkO Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 how are we overrated? in think we are in the middle, but that will change soon anywho: underated: NV - good solid alliance that doesnt get talked about WTF - they have sanction and they arnt mentioned????? TDO - same as WTF Overrated: MK - i have yet to see MK actually back up all of their big words Sparta - they are working on their problems so i expect them to be off this list soon NSO - great guys however people think since it's Ivan in charge they are automatically a top alliance they will though, but i think people are expecting too much of them tl;dr most AAs are not over/under rated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Overrated: MK - i have yet to see MK actually back up all of their big words you kiddin me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Overrated: MK - i have yet to see MK actually back up all of their big words Having fought with MK twice, yes they have. Legion on the other hand weasels its way out of obligations, has no military prowess, and surrenders even faster than TOOL does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solanine Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 you kiddin me he put WTF and TDO in 'under-rated'. you can't take this guy srsly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 No babyjesus, he's right. We have yet to back up our promises of rolling purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 legion was supposed to go there originally then they took it out of terms, or am i thinking dove war? I believe they were originally supposed to inhabit "No Team." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I've addressed your post directly and more after that. I really don't feel like retyping 4 posts worth of material. You responded to them, I wouldn't really say you addressed them except for my GWIII/pink mistake, but I'm happy to drop it if you are. Only got into it because I was asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 No babyjesus, he's right. We have yet to back up our promises of rolling purple. No, we must wait. Metalocalypse reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Having fought with MK twice, yes they have. Legion on the other hand weasels its way out of obligations, has no military prowess, and surrenders even faster than TOOL does. Legion actually fought for ~24 hours longer than TOOL. Not that it's really relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Legion actually fought for ~24 hours longer than TOOL. Not that it's really relevant. Really? Wow TOOL, wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildThing Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 He was being facetious. Also, who's your newest ally that can testify for STA's fighting ability? NpO was a treaty upgrade.. So was Ronin. I can't even remember who your newest ally was but I doubt they'd be a great judge of STA's military ability. We went from #3 to #2 when the "status quo shattered." We built up most of our stats while on Pink, and we had fun doing it. As for TOOL surrender terms, TOOL entered the war to defend an ally. Nobody really had a problem with them. Our objective was to knock them out of the war as quickly as possible. We did. I'm the one that ok'd the terms because the terms everyone likes to !@#$%* about were, practically speaking, absolutely meaningless. TOOL was cool throughout the war, and I didn't see the problem with giving them a moral bump. Mia actually did have something t to do with those terms (not to take anything away from GK who was also cool despite being time zonally challenged) because she was one of the reasons we thought TOOL were decent folk. Clearly, it was a mistake. I won't be nice next time. We'll fight for a couple more days for no purpose, we'll retain the option of attacking a couple alliances we never had an intention of attacking, and Sparta will be a better alliance for it. Edit: No. We were on Pink because a bunch of us had created an identity there, and I didn't want to leave. Tulak made us though. He's not secure in his masculinity. Or something about trades. This whole post pretty much backs up my opinions of Sparta and TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Also, who's your newest ally that can testify for STA's fighting ability? NpO was a treaty upgrade.. So was Ronin. I can't even remember who your newest ally was but I doubt they'd be a great judge of STA's military ability. I think it was the ODN PIAT, so we'll wait for their response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildThing Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I think it was the ODN PIAT, so we'll wait for their response. Yes, I think you're right. Mmmm, so ODN's gonna be judging STA's military ability eh? Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) MK hasn't made good on their promises to turn pink back into a POW sphere so they're definitely overrated. Grow a pair, jeez. Edited October 8, 2009 by cookavich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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