Imperial Decree from the New Polar Order, again

[MasterChief]

2 hours ago, firingline said:

 

Actually, yes, it is. "But we have alliances that raid!" really has nothing to do with anything - that's simply not how logic works.

 

There were several oddities during a time where even dreaming of fighting Pacifica could get you rolled and there were curbstomps every couple months - people who would stay aligned until they finally had an opportunity to fight back, for instance. But it remains quite rare to join in on the side of the aggressors (with no CB) against your blocmates, of your own free will when there was never a gun to your head.

 

Silly noob.

So your whole gameplan in these forums is to just act stupid? This is like going back and reading my posts from 14 years ago, it's embarrassing. 9/10 (if you actually knew CN history) the side crying the most in the forums are the ones losing the war. Do yourself a favor and stop coming onto here speaking about things you don't know and let the old folks have fun. 

[Lord Windmark]

2 hours ago, firingline said:

 

You really believe you're 'honoring' your obligations by assisting the alliance that effectively attacked RFI with no CB, and is actively at war with RFI as we speak?

 

That's a hell of a take there...

 

firingline,

 

Ok let me break this down for you since your obviously having trouble with it...we are only fighting NPO who are in a bloc called "Oculus" after they countered FTW. The bloc known as "RFI" has the following members... Argent, CLAWS, GATO, The Legion. Please get the facts right before telling me on a consistent basis we attacked or helped attack our own bloc as I do not see any active wars now or in the recent past against any of them. The treaty web is so entangled its absolutely possible to end up having blocmates fighting on different sides, it has been so in the past even when the web wasn't as entangled. We value our treaties with FTW and Polar just as much as we do RFI and there is no supremacy clause in RFI at the moment. Your ignorance of the entire concept of MDPs being non-optional is quite amusing. Also I think Bundy would not endorse all this whinging so shame on you.

 

brgds,

LW.

 

 

[Bionic redhead]

45 minutes ago, MasterChief said:

So your whole gameplan in these forums is to just act stupid?

 

Awfully presumptuous to assume that firingline's behaviour is an act.

[The Big Bad]

6 hours ago, jerdge said:

Hey I thought you were pretty new here.

 

I had to check my calendar when I saw your posts.
What's next, a Walford appearance? Doitzel?

(Too bad for the ones we know can't show up again though.)

 

I have always thought of myself as new as I missed the first Great War.  

[MasterChief]

1 hour ago, Bionic redhead said:

 

Awfully presumptuous to assume that firingline's behaviour is an act.

That is true, I give people the benefit of the doubt too much. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by MasterChief

[firingline]

3 hours ago, Lord Windmark said:

 

firingline,

 

Ok let me break this down for you since your obviously having trouble with it...we are only fighting NPO who are in a bloc called "Oculus" after they countered FTW. The bloc known as "RFI" has the following members... Argent, CLAWS, GATO, The Legion. Please get the facts right before telling me on a consistent basis we attacked or helped attack our own bloc as I do not see any active wars now or in the recent past against any of them. The treaty web is so entangled its absolutely possible to end up having blocmates fighting on different sides, it has been so in the past even when the web wasn't as entangled. We value our treaties with FTW and Polar just as much as we do RFI and there is no supremacy clause in RFI at the moment. Your ignorance of the entire concept of MDPs being non-optional is quite amusing. Also I think Bundy would not endorse all this whinging so shame on you.

 

brgds,

LW.

 

 

 

Context matters. Let me break this down for you.

 

FTW indirectly attacked CLAWS (an RFI member) by attacking 3 treaty obligations of theirs with no CB. They knew it would drag them into a war and provide just enough cover for you to play stupid since they weren't directly attacked. Just three of their allies, with no CB. 

 

You quickly jumped onto their side of the war, and told the rest of RFI to pound sand. You offer no assistance to RFI as they fight a war that was brought to them by the people you purport to 'defend'.

 

Supremacy clause or not, it's highly unusual to side against your bloc when it was your bloc that was among the primary groups targeted with no CB (the others being NPO and Doom).

 

"But they weren't directly attacked so..." just isn't a very compelling argument. Yes, your entry on the side of FTW is justified based on precedent - treaties have been gamed for a very long time, it's part of the strategy of a war. You can execute the defense portion of your treaty with FTW.

 

That changes nothing.

 

Big picture: you chose to side with the aggressors who targeted your bloc. And as I pointed out earlier, you could at least make some token effort to activate RFI and help in some way through article IV. But you've chosen not to. And that's no mistake.

 

With GATO essentially nonexistent and you clearly firmly in NG's sphere, it really makes one wonder why RFI even exists anymore.

Edited August 21, 2022 by firingline

[HeroofTime55]

Oh, we're back to it being NG's sphere?  I thought we were only meatshields for the like 5 CCC guys in peace mode.

[firingline]

20 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Oh, we're back to it being NG's sphere?  I thought we were only meatshields for the like 5 CCC guys in peace mode.

 

NATO's sphere, really. But yeah.

[The Big Bad]

40 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

Context matters. Let me break this down for you.

 

FTW indirectly attacked CLAWS (an RFI member) by attacking 3 treaty obligations of theirs with no CB. They knew it would drag them into a war and provide just enough cover for you to play stupid since they weren't directly attacked. Just three of their allies, with no CB. 

 

You quickly jumped onto their side of the war, and told the rest of RFI to pound sand. You offer no assistance to RFI as they fight a war that was brought to them by the people you purport to 'defend'.

 

Supremacy clause or not, it's highly unusual to side against your bloc when it was your bloc that was among the primary groups targeted with no CB (the others being NPO and Doom).

 

"But they weren't directly attacked so..." just isn't a very compelling argument. Yes, your entry on the side of FTW is justified based on precedent - treaties have been gamed for a very long time, it's part of the strategy of a war. You can execute the defense portion of your treaty with FTW.

 

That changes nothing.

 

Big picture: you chose to side with the aggressors who targeted your bloc. And as I pointed out earlier, you could at least make some token effort to activate RFI and help in some way through article IV. But you've chosen not to. And that's no mistake.

 

With GATO essentially nonexistent and you clearly firmly in NG's sphere, it really makes one wonder why RFI even exists anymore.

 

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may Admin have mercy on your soul.

[firingline]

2 minutes ago, The Big Bad said:

 

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may Admin have mercy on your soul.

 

No, you just don't like what I said.

 

That's not the same thing as it being idiotic or incoherent.

 

Over a decade later and you're still unable to understand the distinction. Some things never change.

Edited August 21, 2022 by firingline

[Electron Sponge]

3 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

No, you just don't like what I said.

 

That's not the same thing as it being idiotic or incoherent.

 

Over a decade later and you're still unable to understand the distinction. Some things never change.

you're not very good at this are you

[firingline]

3 minutes ago, Electron Sponge said:

you're not very good at this are you

 

You quoted the wrong guy. TBB's post was one up.

[The Big Bad]

16 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

No, you just don't like what I said.

 

That's not the same thing as it being idiotic or incoherent.

 

Over a decade later and you're still unable to understand the distinction. Some things never change.

 

No it is idiotic.  You clearly have no idea how wars have been on Planet Bob for a decade.   "FTW indirectly attacked CLAWS" has to be one the dumb things I have ever seen here.  

[firingline]

7 minutes ago, The Big Bad said:

 

No it is idiotic.  You clearly have no idea how wars have been on Planet Bob for a decade.   "FTW indirectly attacked CLAWS" has to be one the dumb things I have ever seen here.  

 

Attacking alliance X to draw their partner into a war without directly attacking said partner is, like, Planet Bob 101. How can you not understand that?

[Rhizoctonia]

Youve done well telling us you don't know how wars have worked on our world without telling us you don't.  

[firingline]

1 minute ago, Rhizoctonia said:

Youve done well telling us you don't know how wars have worked on our world without telling us you don't.  

 

Oh. So FTW didn't want to draw CLAWS into a war whilst bringing Legion in on their side?

 

Interesting. You definitely have it all figured out!

[DavidMustaine]

20 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

Attacking alliance X to draw their partner into a war without directly attacking said partner is, like, Planet Bob 101. How can you not understand that?

If you're going to debate with those two you might need these:

 

[The Big Bad]

25 minutes ago, DavidMustaine said:

If you're going to debate with those two you might need these:

 

 Those are for Marines I am retired Army.  

[The Big Bad]

51 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

Attacking alliance X to draw their partner into a war without directly attacking said partner is, like, Planet Bob 101. How can you not understand that?

 

Yeah so here on Planet Bob people learned long ago they could use treaties in ways so others could not manipulate them.  Half the time people preempt others or attack other fronts where no treaties are in play while not activating others to avoid being where they do not want to be.  Unless you think the leadership of CLAWS is too stupid to know this.  Which may be the case, I do not know them.  But, you really should not be publicly shaming them like this.  

Edited August 21, 2022 by The Big Bad

[Kapleo]

This back and forth is so dumb. Alright so here's what everyone needs to know so everyone can just go back to fight. This war has been in the making for a very long time and at least I can trace it back to GK's Cobra but maybe it could go way beyond that, but yeah, the Herogasm side was the one looking for the war and there is NOTHING wrong with that. A war game is supposed to be played with, hear me out... WARS and the hegemony has grown dead and boring.

 

The "Herogasm" coalition was twice the size before it was called that and shrank mostly due to friends of friends not getting along with friends' friends' friends or didn't align with friends' friends' objectives. The people puppeteering the war have changed several times with someone picking wherever X/Y character left off but it can be traced back to Johnny, Lucius, Lyanna, Stewie, Caustic, Devo, Lww, Lex Quintus (RIP), DLS, Korlath (Hallowed be thy name) Marty, Buuyo and yours truly. Sorry, I'm sure I left others outside.

 

In a nutshell some of those interested in fueling this global conflict either wanted a piece of Oculus, mostly NPO or a piece of Doom, mostly Claws. Bridges started falling apart and everyone started picking sides with whomever was the enemy of the new enemy just to spite said new enemy leaving the herogasm side having to play necromancy to make for the loss of all the Boognish alliances, RON, Polar and whatever others no one knows about.

 

At some point it seemed like it was never gonna happen but the now RFD folks stuck with the plan and made it happen even with the new crappy odds. Impressive, commendable to say the least.

 

Now the point I want to make:

 

IT IS OK TO START WARS OF AGGRESSION. It should be celebrated and encouraged. Trying to spin an aggressive war into defensive is plain pathetic especially when there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. Embrace the "I had enough of your BS so we dancing now because of it" which is exactly what the Herogasm side did. I'm not giving you all sh*t over it, all I'm saying is y'all did a ballsy thing so you might as well own it with pride.

 

TLDR:

 

You can't tell me or any of the other Boognish, Polar or Ron leaders this war is defensive cause at some point we were part of or almost were part of that coalition which had Claws/Doom as the main target. We know bro. We have literal logs. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise. You did a good thing. OWN IT.

[Jason8]

19 minutes ago, Kapleo said:

This back and forth is so dumb. Alright so here's what everyone needs to know so everyone can just go back to fight. This war has been in the making for a very long time and at least I can trace it back to GK's Cobra but maybe it could go way beyond that, but yeah, the Herogasm side was the one looking for the war and there is NOTHING wrong with that. A war game is supposed to be played with, hear me out... WARS and the hegemony has grown dead and boring.

 

The "Herogasm" coalition was twice the size before it was called that and shrank mostly due to friends of friends not getting along with friends' friends' friends or didn't align with friends' friends' objectives. The people puppeteering the war have changed several times with someone picking wherever X/Y character left off but it can be traced back to Johnny, Lucius, Lyanna, Stewie, Caustic, Devo, Lww, Lex Quintus (RIP), DLS, Korlath (Hallowed be thy name) Marty, Buuyo and yours truly. Sorry, I'm sure I left others outside.

 

In a nutshell some of those interested in fueling this global conflict either wanted a piece of Oculus, mostly NPO or a piece of Doom, mostly Claws. Bridges started falling apart and everyone started picking sides with whomever was the enemy of the new enemy just to spite said new enemy leaving the herogasm side having to play necromancy to make for the loss of all the Boognish alliances, RON, Polar and whatever others no one knows about.

 

At some point it seemed like it was never gonna happen but the now RFD folks stuck with the plan and made it happen even with the new crappy odds. Impressive, commendable to say the least.

 

Now the point I want to make:

 

IT IS OK TO START WARS OF AGGRESSION. It should be celebrated and encouraged. Trying to spin an aggressive war into defensive is plain pathetic especially when there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. Embrace the "I had enough of your BS so we dancing now because of it" which is exactly what the Herogasm side did. I'm not giving you all sh*t over it, all I'm saying is y'all did a ballsy thing so you might as well own it with pride.

 

TLDR:

 

You can't tell me or any of the other Boognish, Polar or Ron leaders this war is defensive cause at some point we were part of or almost were part of that coalition which had Claws/Doom as the main target. We know bro. We have literal logs. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise. You did a good thing. OWN IT.

You don't have to say anything more.

[A1ph4 0m3ga]

24 minutes ago, Kapleo said:

This back and forth is so dumb. Alright so here's what everyone needs to know so everyone can just go back to fight. This war has been in the making for a very long time and at least I can trace it back to GK's Cobra but maybe it could go way beyond that, but yeah, the Herogasm side was the one looking for the war and there is NOTHING wrong with that. A war game is supposed to be played with, hear me out... WARS and the hegemony has grown dead and boring.

 

The "Herogasm" coalition was twice the size before it was called that and shrank mostly due to friends of friends not getting along with friends' friends' friends or didn't align with friends' friends' objectives. The people puppeteering the war have changed several times with someone picking wherever X/Y character left off but it can be traced back to Johnny, Lucius, Lyanna, Stewie, Caustic, Devo, Lww, Lex Quintus (RIP), DLS, Korlath (Hallowed be thy name) Marty, Buuyo and yours truly. Sorry, I'm sure I left others outside.

 

In a nutshell some of those interested in fueling this global conflict either wanted a piece of Oculus, mostly NPO or a piece of Doom, mostly Claws. Bridges started falling apart and everyone started picking sides with whomever was the enemy of the new enemy just to spite said new enemy leaving the herogasm side having to play necromancy to make for the loss of all the Boognish alliances, RON, Polar and whatever others no one knows about.

 

At some point it seemed like it was never gonna happen but the now RFD folks stuck with the plan and made it happen even with the new crappy odds. Impressive, commendable to say the least.

 

Now the point I want to make:

 

IT IS OK TO START WARS OF AGGRESSION. It should be celebrated and encouraged. Trying to spin an aggressive war into defensive is plain pathetic especially when there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. Embrace the "I had enough of your BS so we dancing now because of it" which is exactly what the Herogasm side did. I'm not giving you all sh*t over it, all I'm saying is y'all did a ballsy thing so you might as well own it with pride.

 

TLDR:

 

You can't tell me or any of the other Boognish, Polar or Ron leaders this war is defensive cause at some point we were part of or almost were part of that coalition which had Claws/Doom as the main target. We know bro. We have literal logs. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise. You did a good thing. OWN IT.

 

K.

[firingline]

26 minutes ago, Kapleo said:

This back and forth is so dumb. Alright so here's what everyone needs to know so everyone can just go back to fight. This war has been in the making for a very long time and at least I can trace it back to GK's Cobra but maybe it could go way beyond that, but yeah, the Herogasm side was the one looking for the war and there is NOTHING wrong with that. A war game is supposed to be played with, hear me out... WARS and the hegemony has grown dead and boring.

 

The "Herogasm" coalition was twice the size before it was called that and shrank mostly due to friends of friends not getting along with friends' friends' friends or didn't align with friends' friends' objectives. The people puppeteering the war have changed several times with someone picking wherever X/Y character left off but it can be traced back to Johnny, Lucius, Lyanna, Stewie, Caustic, Devo, Lww, Lex Quintus (RIP), DLS, Korlath (Hallowed be thy name) Marty, Buuyo and yours truly. Sorry, I'm sure I left others outside.

 

In a nutshell some of those interested in fueling this global conflict either wanted a piece of Oculus, mostly NPO or a piece of Doom, mostly Claws. Bridges started falling apart and everyone started picking sides with whomever was the enemy of the new enemy just to spite said new enemy leaving the herogasm side having to play necromancy to make for the loss of all the Boognish alliances, RON, Polar and whatever others no one knows about.

 

At some point it seemed like it was never gonna happen but the now RFD folks stuck with the plan and made it happen even with the new crappy odds. Impressive, commendable to say the least.

 

Now the point I want to make:

 

IT IS OK TO START WARS OF AGGRESSION. It should be celebrated and encouraged. Trying to spin an aggressive war into defensive is plain pathetic especially when there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. Embrace the "I had enough of your BS so we dancing now because of it" which is exactly what the Herogasm side did. I'm not giving you all sh*t over it, all I'm saying is y'all did a ballsy thing so you might as well own it with pride.

 

TLDR:

 

You can't tell me or any of the other Boognish, Polar or Ron leaders this war is defensive cause at some point we were part of or almost were part of that coalition which had Claws/Doom as the main target. We know bro. We have literal logs. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise. You did a good thing. OWN IT.

 

The TLDR just functioned to make this even longer.

[Kapleo]

1 hour ago, firingline said:

 

The TLDR just functioned to make this even longer.

Nah, as Jason said, there is not much else to say. Making it more clear than that would mean a log drop war which at this point would be utterly pointless considering everyone is already at war. Besides, nothing I said was in any way in a negative connotation. All that is going on is indeed a good thing. Except the dumb narrative everyone knows is bs cause that's just bs.

[Stewie]

9 hours ago, firingline said:

 

NATO's sphere, really. But yeah.

Actually we are all GPA's sphere...