Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 You are the agressor here. Own up to that . Its ok to be the agressor, just don't lie and say you are the defender when you clearly are not. You really should take your own advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 You really should take your own advice. How so? In what way am I misleading you in the current war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Saying EQ.... are the aggressors is just silly, C&G knows about this from last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) what you will do with this power if you do win will truly tell if your lot truly has changed, or will be the enabler you were back in the day, the same thing you accuse us of doing as a roll worthy offense. We have very caring members in our coalition. Courtesy: omfghi2u2 Edited January 27, 2013 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 How so? In what way am I misleading you in the current war? You're like the kid that pelts the smaller kid with spitballs every day. When asked to stop you say 'do something about it.' When after several days of this the smaller kid turns around and cold cocks you, you start crying and accuse him of starting it. No one respects that man. No one. Fake Edit: Lol at the word filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 You're like the kid that pelts the smaller kid with spitballs every day. When asked to stop you say 'do something about it.' When after several days of this the smaller kid turns around and cold cocks you, you start crying and accuse him of starting it. No one respects that man. No one. Fake Edit: Lol at the word filter. That doesn't sound like me at all, are you sure you have the right guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 That doesn't sound like me at all, are you sure you have the right guy? I didnt mean you personally, I dont know you that well. But Umbrella, and in particular the argument that you are here pushing today - trying to pose as defenders in a war you started - that is what I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I didnt mean you personally, I dont know you that well. But Umbrella, and in particular the argument that you are here pushing today - trying to pose as defenders in a war you started - that is what I was referring to. In a war that we started? How did we start a war when it was 5 alliances who declared war on us as the first declerations of war in this conflict? You started this war, we didn't. Fact is though we are all at war now, so in the scheme of things this point doesn't matter much, but still, own up to your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Joe Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I didnt mean you personally, I dont know you that well. But Umbrella, and in particular the argument that you are here pushing today - trying to pose as defenders in a war you started - that is what I was referring to. There was no state of war prior to Ai & friends' declaration. Regardless of what Umbrella did, that's all that matters. Was Umbrella at war with NPO or NG when they sent aid to GOD a while back, since the action was provocative? No. There was no war, because neither alliance declared war on Umbrella. What are you even trying to accomplish here? I don't see what you have to gain by trying to weave this web of bullshit and I think you're smart enough to not actually believe it. Edited January 27, 2013 by Sniper Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I didnt mean you personally, I dont know you that well. But Umbrella, and in particular the argument that you are here pushing today - trying to pose as defenders in a war you started - that is what I was referring to. It's more like this: You punch the guy shooting spitballs, then the dorkass kid and four of his friend try to jump you. If only those five geeks had the foresight to see what they were in store for! And yes. You are the aggressors. There were even four alliances that oA'd in for Christs sake. Edited January 27, 2013 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Garcia Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) The best thing about wartime is when the "honourable" brigade come out of the woodwork to show us their recently acquired student cards at the Cyber Nations E-Law School. It's a bit of a change after almost 4 years of "Because we can", "We are big and you are small", etc. Now you can't read a page of threads like this without someone going: "You can't do this!" "Don't say that!" :( "You started it, because you were the first to formally declare an alliance war!" "It's wrong. Wrooooooong." And a totally fair and not at all caricatural translation of most sustained arguments: "We're not hypocrites! You're saying that we're hypocrites because we're agitating against when we used to support it, but here's the thing: in the past, you did not always criticise this hypocrisy with the same consistency. So tbh I think it's very hypocritical of you to call us hypocrites!" (In reality, the word "hypocrite" would have been misspelled several times already) Ah yes, an essential first-year course at the Cyber Nations E-Law School is Pointing Out Hypocrisy 101. It would be interesting to properly analyse all the accusations of hypocrisy that have been spouted so far. If you tried to express it graphically, you would probably get a hypocrisy chart more complicated than all the treaty webs that have ever existed. The hypocrisy web. Edited January 27, 2013 by Mr Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 You all seem very upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 The best thing about wartime is when the "honourable" brigade come out of the woodwork to show us their recently acquired student cards at the Cyber Nations E-Law School. It's a bit of a change after almost 4 years of "Because we can", "We are big and you are small", etc. Now you can't read a page of threads like this without someone going: "You can't do this!" "Don't say that!" :( "You started it, because you were the first to formally declare an alliance war!" "It's wrong. Wrooooooong." And a totally fair and not at all caricatural translation of most sustained arguments: "We're not hypocrites! You're saying that we're hypocrites because we're agitating against when we used to support it, but here's the thing: in the past, you did not always criticise this hypocrisy with the same consistency. So tbh I think it's very hypocritical of you to call us hypocrites!" (In reality, the word "hypocrite" would have been misspelled several times already) Ah yes, an essential first-year course at the Cyber Nations E-Law School is Pointing Out Hypocrisy 101. It would be interesting to properly analyse all the accusations of hypocrisy that have been spouted so far. If you tried to express it graphically, you would probably get a hypocrisy chart more complicated than all the treaty webs that have ever existed. The hypocrisy web. They said I got 4.0's tho ... Joking aside, I'm not saying "you can't do that", I'm saying what is fact. Fact is no state of war existed between AI and Umbrella until AI and 4 of their friends declared war on Umbrella. No Umbrella nations were engaged with AI nor AI's allies until AI and their allies attacked Umbrella. While you maintain that your declaration of war was legit, nobody is arguing against that. We're fine with you declaring war on whoever you want. Just be honest and say you are declaring war. By playing these word games where somehow you declaring war on someone else makes you the defender may work in your circle of friends, I would hope the rest of us have the smarts to recognize it for what it is. What it is is you declaring an offensive war. We are ok with that. Just don't insult our intelligence and try to claim otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellBade Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Maybe this war will actually last more than a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I wondering what VE expected to accomplish by posting this thread. Did they expected that NPO would apologize for not posting a DoW who is so obvious that wasn't necessary at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deviousfairie Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I wondering what VE expected to accomplish by posting this thread. Did they expected that NPO would apologize for not posting a DoW who is so obvious that wasn't necessary at all? Nah, we're just sticklers for paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimos Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Finally someone to play with in our range and VE always delivers. This should be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted January 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I wondering what VE expected to accomplish by posting this thread. Did they expected that NPO would apologize for not posting a DoW who is so obvious that wasn't necessary at all? I asked Brehon if he planned to declare war officially, and offered him the time to do so before we planned to officially recognize it. He thanked me, and declined, so we posted this to recognize the war. We do things a certain way in VE, and there's no harm in letting the world know that NPO has attacked VE and that we recognize this as an official war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 is it not obvious... when peace talks starts its to mark what actually happen so VE can extort all those reps from every single alliance that attacked it. derp, because unlike certain coalitions VE does not want NPO to say no uh we soo did not declare war. cwutididthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I asked Brehon if he planned to declare war officially, and offered him the time to do so before we planned to officially recognize it. He thanked me, and declined, so we posted this to recognize the war. We do things a certain way in VE, and there's no harm in letting the world know that NPO has attacked VE and that we recognize this as an official war. You did what is Honourable. Brehon could learn a thing or two from you about honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace of Aces Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What I can not rap my head around is NG is making fun of the Equilibrium Coalition yet they are allied to two of the alliances that started the war! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) What I can not rap my head around is NG is making fun of the Equilibrium Coalition yet they are allied to two of the alliances that started the war! So are you talking hip hop or actually beating yourself on the head because I could definitely help explain to you why it's so hard to rap your head around the issue. Edited January 28, 2013 by tamerlane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Just enjoy the war and casualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace of Aces Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 So are you talking hip hop or actually beating yourself on the head because I could definitely help explain to you why it's so hard to rap your head around the issue. Funny, I think you know what I mean. I do not understand why they would do that. If they hate equilibrium then why did they down grade GOONS and leave PB a year ago and then recently sign UPN and upgrade NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Funny, I think you know what I mean. I do not understand why they would do that. If they hate equilibrium then why did they down grade GOONS and leave PB a year ago and then recently sign UPN and upgrade NSO. Go and read the downgrade announcement and find out why they downgraded. As for UPN and NSO, I am sure if you look hard enough, you will see a where NG is going with their UPN and NSO treaties (it's not necessarily where you think, actually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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