Drai Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Go GR, one of the heaviest hitters on the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) As far as I'm concerned the reps to Athens are fair payback for y'all and TPF taking 7/8ths of their tech in reps in the noCB war. What a joke. 16k tech, TPF took less than 4k. You guys asked for what? 500k between tpf and npo? You guys need to stop pretending to be victims. Move on CnG. We all fight, you win some, you lose some. Edited November 2, 2009 by mhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 The amount of whinning and hate here show that the thread reached the goal, it's funny to see that those who like to do jokes crying when jokes are made for them. Those are the same that said "TOP is taking that too serious" in Alliance Survivalist thread. Good show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 What a joke. 16k tech, TPF took less than 4k. You guys asked for what? 500k between tpf and npo? You guys need to stop pretending to be victims. Move on CnG. We all fight, you win some, you lose some. 500k tech? Unless NPO and TPF have some serious secret terms, you guy's terms combined didn't equal that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 You guys need to stop pretending to be victims. Move on CnG. We all fight, you win some, you lose some. You realize how true that statement is about NPO as well, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I wish we got 500K tech, Athens only has about 250,000 tech total at the moment so.. it would be quite a big boost, plus spread out over 180 members that's like 2,780 tech each. Of course Jack Diorno doesn't get any reps so none for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 500k tech?Unless NPO and TPF have some serious secret terms, you guy's terms combined didn't equal that much. I. Reparations of 350,000 tech and $10,000,000,000 will be assessed upon the New Pacific Order. 10b = 333k tech 350k + 333k = 688k tech? TPF reps TPF agrees to pay the following in reparations: - 20,000 tech to Poison Clan, can be turned into money at 3mill/100 tech. - 180 million to Federation of Buccaneers - 9,000 tech to Mushroom Kingdom - 120 million to Greenland Republic 300m = 10k tech + 29k tech = 39k Total : 727k tech. .. keep complaining about that 16k and less than 4k to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I wish we got 500K tech, Athens only has about 250,000 tech total at the moment so.. it would be quite a big boost, plus spread out over 180 members that's like 2,780 tech each. Of course Jack Diorno doesn't get any reps so none for me Amazingly Athens doesn't equal the entire CnG bloc does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 There are other alliances receiving a bit of that tech, not only CnG alliances ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Amazingly Athens doesn't equal the entire CnG bloc does it. You compared your reps to the Athens reps, so I assumed you meant Athens took 500K tech. That is of course, logical. If you want to compare the reps you took from Athens, to the reps the entire karma coalition took from TPF and NPO, they obviously won't match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) You compared your reps to the Athens reps, so I assumed you meant Athens took 500K tech. That is of course, logical. If you want to compare the reps you took from Athens, to the reps the entire karma coalition took from TPF and NPO, they obviously won't match up. Alright then, how much are you guys getting? They took 12k tech? Athens got how much? I heard over 1billion some where, so minimum 33k tech? Edited November 2, 2009 by mhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) Alright then, how much are you guys getting? They took 12k tech? Athens got how much? I heard over 1billion some where, so minimum 33k tech? Around there, sent a bit off to MK etc etc. NPO's Sir Paul published the actual numbers away back, I forget which topic it was though. Edited November 2, 2009 by Jgoods45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I do believe that was a touch of sarcasm. There's no sarcasm in this game. Only serious business, hoss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) What a joke. 16k tech, TPF took less than 4k. You guys asked for what? 500k between tpf and npo? You guys need to stop pretending to be victims. Move on CnG. We all fight, you win some, you lose some. My comment was talking specifically about NPO's reps to Athens. What is going to other alliances is irrelevant to this discussion. But even talking about what the C&G alliances who paid reps in the noCB war to NPO and TPF and are getting reps now: MK, LOST, and Athens (including Shinra merging into them). TPF: 4000 from Athens 4000 from LOST 1000 from Shinra (now Athens) -9000 to MK = 0 tech NPO: 58,000 from MK 8,000 from Athens 2,000 from LOST 1,000 from Shinra =69,000 tech 30,000 to Athens 20,000 to Athens (600 mill money to tech) 20,000 to LOST 8,333 to LOST (250 mill money to tech) 30,000 to MK (technically that's 20K from RoK, 10K from Athens that they each shared from their portion) = 108,333 tech NPO is paying more out than in, but there you have the question of proportionality, both in how big the respective alliances were at the signing of terms and what each had done to deserve hard terms. The extra ~40,000 can be considered interest. Edited November 2, 2009 by Azaghul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 My comment was talking specifically about NPO's reps to Athens. What is going to other alliances is irrelevant to this discussion.But even talking about what the C&G alliances who paid reps in the noCB war to NPO and TPF and are getting reps now: MK, LOST, and Athens (including Shinra merging into them). TPF: 4000 from Athens 4000 from LOST 1000 from Shinra (now Athens) -9000 to MK = 0 tech NPO: 58,000 from MK 8,000 from Athens 2,000 from LOST 1,000 from Shinra =69,000 tech 30,000 to Athens 20,000 to Athens (600 mill money to tech) 20,000 to LOST 8,333 to LOST (250 mill money to tech) 30,000 to MK (technically that's 20K from RoK, 10K from Athens that they each shared from their portion) = 108,333 tech NPO is paying more out than in, but there you have the question of proportionality, both in how big the respective alliances were at the signing of terms and what each had done to deserve hard terms. The extra ~40,000 can be considered interest. Then just say its war, not that what npo and tpf did was so abhorrent when you guys took more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) Then just say its war, not that what npo and tpf did was so abhorrent when you guys took more. Disregarding the last paragraph. 8K on a 16K tech alliance is different than 50K on a several hundred thousand tech alliance. And TPF was equal, NPO was a different situation. Edit: And let's not forget wonder decommissioning in the noCB war terms. Edited November 2, 2009 by Azaghul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) Disregarding the last paragraph. 8K on a 16K tech alliance is different than 50K on a several hundred thousand tech alliance.And TPF was equal, NPO was a different situation. Edit: And let's not forget wonder decommissioning in the noCB war terms. I'm not sure if TPF took 39k tech from every war combined. Not equal. Edited November 2, 2009 by mhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'm not sure if TPF took 39k tech from every war combined. Not equal. Where did you even pull that number from? TPF took 9K tech from athens and =lost= in the NoCB war and MK took exactly 9K from you in the karma war. Equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think we can all agree that reps are immoral, put this in your sig if you're down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsoxbronco1 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I love a good reps argument. The fact that the people responsible for the proliferation of war reparations as a surrender term are the same who criticize the boomerang effect is further gravy on my already delicious pile of tear-laden mashed potatoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) the admission of focusing attacks towards Rok and VE in a petty attempt to cause a divide, etc. When you're outnumbered, focusing on what you believe/hope are the weakest parts of your enemies' formation (or probably, considering the alliances involved, who you want to pay more for their aggression) is just common sense. I won't touch with a 5 meters pole the remaining of this discussion, as I thought that this Halloween thing was about having fun... [ooc] (CN can compromise everything, I guess. Good show then.) [/ooc] Edited November 2, 2009 by jerdge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hello there 102% blitz rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Where did you even pull that number from? TPF took 9K tech from athens and =lost= in the NoCB war and MK took exactly 9K from you in the karma war. Equal. He's trying to include all the reps TPF paid in the Karma war, despite the fact that all but 9K doesn't have much to do with MK. We did what we could to negotiate with the other alliances about their numbers, but ultimately what they wanted to ask for was up to them and given all the circumstances of the war we worked with that and did the best that we reasonably could for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 No surprise Rok kicked soo much $@!. Was too busy in the 102% of Nemesis to help out the Rok front. Hoo wouldnt let me off the leash woof woof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'll admit though - seeing TPF, a once-sanctioned alliance, crying about a paltry 39K tech compared to what MK has had to shell out (especially noting that TPF has received reps in the past and MK up until that point really hadn't received any substantial number) is kinda funny. So for that reason alone this continued debate is bringing a smile to my face. Not to mention Azaghul's very solid point about zero wonder decoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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