Ashoka the Great Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The most sickening part of this is the outright hypocrisy shown by so many ex-Karma people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volatile Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Again all those 'Karma' references, do people never get tired using it No wonder new players are hardly seen around here, I wouldn't want to meet people living in the past most of the time either. Have fun and enjoy the fight guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzptm Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Polaris, your government could have done better and should have done better. "Who will remove the stone from my shoe?" "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" People hear things like that and do drastic things. I don't speak for Nueva Vida, but I do speak for Himynamistan. I'm not buying the line of innocence. In Nueva Vida, EVERY TIME I have suggested some half-baked scheme, my government didn't play along. They said "No, Z. That's not how we do things around here." You could have done better and you should have done better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295358028' post='2581218'] The most sickening part of this is the outright hypocrisy shown by so many ex-Karma people. [/quote] It's great how your post manages to take the equivalency of the events now and then as a given before it even begins. Nice touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laslo Kenez Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Thanks a lot for going full retard Polaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1295358442' post='2581221']Polaris, your government could have done better and should have done better. "Who will remove the stone from my shoe?" "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" People hear things like that and do drastic things. I don't speak for Nueva Vida, but I do speak for Himynamistan. I'm not buying the line of innocence. In Nueva Vida, EVERY TIME I have suggested some half-baked scheme, my government didn't play along. They said "No, Z. That's not how we do things around here." You could have done better and you should have done better.[/quote] Except Dajobo didn't "suggest" anything to Polar government. Otherwise, nice strawman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295358446' post='2581222'] It's great how your post manages to take the equivalency of the events now and then as a given before it even begins. Nice touch. [/quote] So what you're saying is, "The truth hurts." VE accepts screenshots and the NPO attackes during negotiations. Their war is immoral. NpO accepts screenshots and VE won't even talk to them. Their war is just. If you can find a shorter summation of how VE & Co. got the war against Polaris that they've been itching for for some time, you're welcome to present it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295358729' post='2581228']If you can find a shorter summation of how VE & Co. got the war against Polaris that they've been itching for for some time, you're welcome to present it.[/quote] Won't happen. VE (or Impero, at least) has a habit of brushing you off (or telling you where you can shove your opinion) if what you have to say is inconvenient to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1295331704' post='2580432'] I hope everyone has a good time and when this all wraps up we can have a good laugh. [/quote] Thank you, I think I shall. Hopefully as good a laugh as polar had when selling us and others out during bi-polar. Either way, laughter will be on the agenda... That being said...., VE your CB sucks and was a total trap set up by you and lennox. Your so full of it your eyes are browner then GATO's sphere.....still GL melting the polar ice cap! Edited January 18, 2011 by chefjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295358729' post='2581228']So what you're saying is, "The truth hurts."[/quote] That I am. Not quite in the same way you are though. [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295358729' post='2581228']VE accepts screenshots and the NPO attackes during negotiations. Their war is immoral. NpO accepts screenshots and VE won't even talk to them. Their war is just. If you can find a shorter summation of how VE & Co. got the war against Polaris that they've been itching for for some time, you're welcome to present it. [/quote] See you're so caught up in making shorter and shorter summations that you're leaving out all the key details. NpO not only accepted screenshots here, they also actively advised the spy on which alliances to target as well as "jokingly" suggesting taking it to CNtel as a means of leaking the info without landing them in hot water. The pithy little mehcanisms by which Dajobo was trying to prevent the situation from possibly being used against him were as obvious as they were half-hearted. [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295358898' post='2581230'] Won't happen. VE (or Impero, at least) has a habit of brushing you off (or telling you where you can shove your opinion) if what you have to say is inconvenient to them. [/quote] Have you made any contributions to these threads yet beyond me-tooisms? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgazza1992 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295357831' post='2581216'] So if you're so willing to hail, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=forums&module=post§ion=post&do=new_post&f=70"]maybe you're willing to do something about it[/url]? [/quote] Because, I have the authority to lead Ragnarok to war?... There was me thinking that was the responsibility of RoK's government. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295359295' post='2581233']Have you made any contributions to these threads yet beyond me-tooisms? Just curious.[/quote] I did actually. I posited that the logs posted by Impero were in fact from after war had already been decided on or executed and thus that it was sensible that RandomInterrupt would be less than polite to him, given that Impero had already (by then) told Dajobo where to shove his explanation. I was rudely cut off with a "you're wrong". Who's contributing here? Have [b]you[/b] made any contributions? [quote name='welshgazza1992' timestamp='1295359298' post='2581234']Because, I have the authority to lead Ragnarok to war?... There was me thinking that was the responsibility of RoK's government. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img][/quote] Everyone has the power to do something about it, even if it is only voting with their feet. Edited January 18, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295359431' post='2581236']I did actually. I posited that the logs posted by Impero were in fact from after war had already been decided on or executed and thus that it was sensible that RandomInterrupt would be less than polite to him, given that Impero had already (by then) told Dajobo where to shove his explanation.[/quote] That's not much of a contribution - it's more of a window into the shortsightedness of your diplomacy than anything else. [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295359431' post='2581236']Who's contributing here? Have [b]you[/b] made any contributions?[/quote] Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295359646' post='2581239']That's not much of a contribution - it's more of a window into the shortsightedness of your diplomacy than anything else.[/quote] If pointing out inconsistencies as I see them is offering "a window into the shortsightedness of my diplomacy", then I plead guilty as charged, Your Honor. Regardless of what happens here, those who write the history of this war shall end up having been the victors. Edited January 18, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295359295' post='2581233'] See you're so caught up in making shorter and shorter summations that you're leaving out all the key details. NpO not only accepted screenshots here, they also actively advised the spy on which alliances to target as well as "jokingly" suggesting taking it to CNtel as a means of leaking the info without landing them in hot water. The pithy little mehcanisms by which Dajobo was trying to prevent the situation from possibly being used against him were as obvious as they were half-hearted. [/quote] And OV not only accepted screenshots, they also actively decided that they would protect the intel with their life when notified of the possibility that a leak would lead to the spy being caught, and expressed the intent to never share them despite having months to do so - in contrast to the 20 hours here. See, I too can play the game of "well, tiny little detail XYZ is not the same, SO THE WHOLE SITUATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT". That's not called "key details", it is superficial differences being exploited for political gain by sheer virtue that every single situation is unique, and will therefore have some small distinguishing factor. Edited January 18, 2011 by Letum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Letum' timestamp='1295359816' post='2581244']See, I too can play the game of "well, tiny little detail XYZ is not the same, SO THE WHOLE SITUATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT". That's not called "key details", it is superficial differences being exploited for political gain by sheer virtue that every single situation is unique, and will therefore have some small distinguishing factor.[/quote] "superficial differences" haha yeah alright if that's your flavour of Kool-Aid then far be it from me to bring you down from that sugar high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295345255' post='2581046'] I don't see anything there that validates your assertion that Ragashingo is a hypocrite. [/quote] Indeed. I haven't posted in our embassies in ages so I really have no idea what the heck he's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunk the Great Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The New Samurai Order does not have a love for either side of this war. However, this love is slightly less for Polaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialCubanacan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Well, I wish Polaris the best. I have always liked your alliance. You guys are like cuddly penguins. As for the reason for this war, those logs clearly demonstrate to me (unless things were omitted) that NpO attempted dialogue and as soo many things seem to go these days, it was just looked at and dismissed. Believe me, I do understand that people are bored with just collecting taxes and paying bills, going to their own forums and discussing Sarah Palin or Justin Bieber.... but this could of alternatively been handled in a different manner than just outright war. That said, I also recognize that spying is a terrible offense. Regardless of the reason(s) given by any party at any point in time. Regardless of like or dislike of another alliance. My main point of contention is this, however: why is the offender in question still residing within the Viridian Entente? A spy is a spy regardless of his stature or popularity within your own alliance. This offender should have been tossed out with the cat litter. Instead, a war is declared over said individual and he remains within the offended alliance...... This is the awkward moment where you are standing in-line at the pharmacy with a bottle of Ky jelly, batteries, Viagra and a magazine featuring sesame street; the clerk announces a price check on your Ky jelly and the little kids behind you ask their parents what it's for..... Best of luck to all involved, have fun. Regards, Cuba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffDaddy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 o/ Polaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Spectre Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Well, Polaris, can't say I'm surprised. You got caught red handed and are now trying to dispute it with "the world wanted us on a silver platter anyway" excuse? Though I favor VE's side in this war, I expected a better show from NpO. Well, onward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GulagArchipelago Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Good luck Polar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 See the problem is all he had to say was 'No thanks, find someone else to help you.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='ImperialCubanacan' timestamp='1295361212' post='2581283'] My main point of contention is this, however: why is the offender in question still residing within the Viridian Entente? A spy is a spy regardless of his stature or popularity within your own alliance. [/quote] The answer to this question is obvious: his actions gave the VE the CB on the Polars they were looking for. Either they knew about it beforehand and he was on assignment or they didn't and they're just happy he told them what he'd been up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emphix Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You guys took such an obvious bait. I thought Polaris are smarter than this but alas, well, good luck and have fun to everyone. Wishes come true, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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