Ragashingo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 There goes that sterling reputation of STA... Yep, we're doomed now. But really ya'll should be glad for your relative detachment to the treaty web. We've had a hell of a time navigating all these conflicting treaties. We weren't perfect but thats because there was no one true answer to this mess. In the end I think we did pretty darn well. I'm also impressed at how well everyone else caught up in these wars have handled everything. For you to come in here and look down on us or anyone else involved in this is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrux Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hating Athens is so 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 We don't sign treaties of convenience. Never have and never will. That said, had the situation been the other way around I would have happily declared war in defence of any in our coalition provided it wouldn't mean attacking our own treaty partners. The only alliance in the coalition prepared to do the same for us was NSO, and they weren't exactly in a position to provide any meaningful assistance. I can understand the fact of not signing treaties of convenience. I was not involved in the highest levels of military planning, so I do not presume to know what they were thinking at the time. However, I know that a lot of different ideas were thrown about in order to get help to you guys, and that we certainly were not just ignoring your plight. I would have personally been happy to declare war on anyone that was needed. I guess what I am trying to say is that we were not just letting STA get beat up for some malicious reason or apathy or whatever. I personally find it insulting that there is some implicit idea here that we were not ready to lay down everything we had for this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 You did the best you could in the situation and will continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Mockingbird Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Lol you can try and criticize STA for being bad allies or whatever, but at the end of the day we still !@#$@#$ love them, so what you say don't mean !@#$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Thank you Peztar. STA are stalwart allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 A fun game to play is to read a post in this thread, then guess the poster's AA. It's very enlightening, if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 At the time I didn't hate anyone in Q. Nice try though. How about the allies of everyone in Q? Which was almost everybody. This is the standard you claim you follow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) For everyone hear moaning about how STA handled this....stfu...seriously. Many alliances were put in a position where they had to choose over their allies. Infact, I would say that is why IRON/TOP/TSO pre-empted C&G because their allies were tied up on THEIR side. STA took an impossible situation and dealt with it the best they could. If the 2 options that you have are both the wrong choice how can you make the right one? EDIT: You all should be so lucky to have allies as great as STA. Edited January 30, 2010 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryraccoon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) Well I dont mind the Athens comment at all... I actually appricate the war and the idea. Its like a little gift and Pez tried to wrap it for us in the way that would give STA the least amount of paper cuts. It also lends to the idea that DoW's and treaties do matter. That in war there may be fronts but not everyone is at war with all on the other side. If it wasnt for this truth then people would just declare on a side and not against one alliance or a couple. Edited January 30, 2010 by angryraccoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 For everyone hear moaning about how STA handled this....stfu...seriously. Many alliances were put in a position where they had to choose over their allies. Infact, I would say that is why IRON/TOP/TSO pre-empted C&G because their allies were tied up on THEIR side. STA took an impossible situation and dealt with it the best they could. If the 2 options that you have are both the wrong choice how can you make the right one? Stop making sense. You're ruining the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm amazed that people are trying to paint this in a bad light. STA show themselves to be the best of us as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) STA took an impossible situation and dealt with it the best they could. If the 2 options that you have are both the wrong choice how can you make the right one? A strange game. The only "winning" move was not to play. Maybe would should have just sat around and played a nice game of chess with ourselves. [Edit]/me dares TheNeverender to figure out which alliance he is in based on the above quote alone [/Edit] Edited January 30, 2010 by Ragashingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbacher Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm amazed that people are trying to paint this in a bad light. STA show themselves to be the best of us as usual. What about polar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Im not happy that you endorsed an attack on a MK treaty partner, but I can understand where you are coming from. Thank you for being a great ally. Za Sibir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 A strange game. The only "winning" move was not to play. Maybe would should have just sat around and played a nice game of chess with ourselves. ...I love you. Would you like to play a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Sriv Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 As a government of Vanguard I appreciate your honesty STA. You were in a rough position, we were in a rough position, and I dont blame you. I also whole heartedly agree that since we have an MDP, not an MADP, attacks on our treaty partners is far different than attacks on us directly (one triggers our treaty while the other doesn't). I dont understand what people find so hard to understand about that last statement. Also, HEY EVERYONE, LET CNG DECIDE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT STA WHILE THE REST OF YOU STOP TRYING TO DECIDE FOR US. Coming from the person who puts out a commentary on the actions of various alliances on planet bob, this is rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsoxbronco1 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm just uh....seething (yeah that's the word)with...uh...anger? Roll STA imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 What about polar? What about us? I don't like every single thing Polar has ever done, even during my two years here. I can't remember anything STA has ever done that I dislike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) A fun game to play is to read a post in this thread, then guess the poster's AA. It's very enlightening, if nothing else. I do that in just about every thread. It's very fun. @On-topic: !@#$%* situation for you to be in, STA. !@#$tier with rumours flying about Edited January 30, 2010 by Sargun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 What about us? I don't like every single thing Polar has ever done, even during my two years here. I can't remember anything STA has ever done that I dislike. [illegalrecruitment]Perhaps you'd like to make a change for the better?[/illegalrecruitment] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 A strange game. The only "winning" move was not to play. Maybe would should have just sat around and played a nice game of chess with ourselves. [Edit]/me dares TheNeverender to figure out which alliance he is in based on the above quote alone [/Edit] Clearly the New Pacific Order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Clearly the New Pacific Order So OBM is a rabbit NPOer, right? Just focus on keeping your troops in line. God knows when you are not around, a lot of poo poo happens for which you have to then apologize and make right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 How about the allies of everyone in Q? Which was almost everybody. This is the standard you claim you follow.... Great rebuttal. I guess you are right. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Clearly the New Pacific Order Awesome response. Yes, I am indeed a member of the New Pacifists Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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