Il Principe Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I'm very sorry to see some of our closest friends and allies (especially Grämlins and TOP, but also the rest of Citadel) drive apart. I'm wondering what road Grämlins is going to travel, because MHA will be there with them. Besides now we will never see how Citadel nukes all other powerblocs to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Wow. That's all I really have at the moment. I should have seen it coming, but still. Would not have expected it. Good luck to all involved parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I see you let the lunatics take over the asylum. Grämlins is basically dead if your judgement has become this poor. Oh come on Bob. You had the power to chance, with the likes of HellAngel, LM and so on, but didn't. If you think Gramlins is dead, you are one of many to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Oh come on Bob. You had the power to chance, with the likes of HellAngel, LM and so on, but didn't. If you think Gramlins is dead, you are one of many to blame. I am going to agree with this one. From my understanding of the Gremlins system, if you guys would have stuck around and worked together you could have prevented the man you claim is responsible for the destruction of the Gremlins from taking power instead of leaving 1 by 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 While you have a point, I 'stuck around and worked together' for at least a year after things started to go downhill, and I (and the others who left, mostly before me) did not have the power to stop it. I believe I am permitted some disappointment at seeing an alliance I loved and tried to help in this state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 While you have a point, I 'stuck around and worked together' for at least a year after things started to go downhill, and I (and the others who left, mostly before me) did not have the power to stop it. I believe I am permitted some disappointment at seeing an alliance I loved and tried to help in this state. Remember, I am only looking at this from an outsiders perspective. Over the last 6 months or so I have seen what I consider influential members of the Gremlins leave 1 by 1 and go to TOP or other places.....so you can understand where I am coming from on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTU-Man Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 for the record: mission free Grä has not ended by this statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 for the record: mission free Grä has not ended by this statement...When will your objectives be accomplished? When will the pain end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Alexander Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 for the record: mission free Grä has not ended by this statement... MOTU's plan for the free of grämlins apparently will be complete tonight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Taco Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 As always, I support the move by the Grämlins. I believe that, as with their Codex, this move to going paperless will seem like insult and folly in the present, but in the months ahead will appear visionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 As always, I support the move by the Grämlins. I believe that, as with their Codex, this move to going paperless will seem like insult and folly in the present, but in the months ahead will appear visionary. Truer words could not be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Taco Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 huh what I was under the impression that Harmlins treaty could not be canceled They could cancel the treaty if they want. MHA would not recognize the cancellation, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chill I Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 They could cancel the treaty if they want. MHA would not recognize the cancellation, however. hahahah, thats awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtkode Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 As I note, death does have to do with numbers, death is disbandment, if an alliance isn't disbanded then people are there keeping it up, so no they aren't dead. Note that I'm not a person who is interested with Gre affairs at all, I just don't care to witness people calling an alliance dead when people in that alliance are still working to keep it afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 As always, I support the move by the Grämlins. I believe that, as with their Codex, this move to going paperless will seem like insult and folly in the present, but in the months ahead will appear visionary. It has been done before, and the only alliance that made paperless successful was OSF until they merged to form ASC. Just like communism works in a perfect world but isn't really practical due to human nature.....a paperless FA strategy is great in a perfect world but only leaves one open to opportunism. But given the fact that Harmlins will never be canceled they are neither vulnerable or truly paperless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Hardly a surprise but still sad to see. With that said, if Grämlins truly wish to embrace the paperless road we, at the ZDP, can only salute their move. Good luck to all involved parties, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) It has been done before, and the only alliance that made paperless successful was OSF until they merged to form ASC. Just like communism works in a perfect world but isn't really practical due to human nature.....a paperless FA strategy is great in a perfect world but only leaves one open to opportunism. But given the fact that Harmlins will never be canceled they are neither vulnerable or truly paperless. Harmlins always has been and always will be more than a piece of paper, TBH we could tear it up tomorrow and nothing would change The simple fact is wrt MHA You go, We Go nothing else needs to be said on the subject Edited January 15, 2010 by SynthFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 It has been done before, and the only alliance that made paperless successful was OSF until they merged to form ASC. Just like communism works in a perfect world but isn't really practical due to human nature.....a paperless FA strategy is great in a perfect world but only leaves one open to opportunism. But given the fact that Harmlins will never be canceled they are neither vulnerable or truly paperless. IRON had no treaties until sometime around mid-07, at which point they were one of the strongest alliances in the game (2-5 in rankings or something like that). Though things were different back then. FAN is an example of an alliance without treaties, or NSO to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 IRON had no treaties until sometime around mid-07, at which point they were one of the strongest alliances in the game (2-5 in rankings or something like that). Though things were different back then. FAN is an example of an alliance without treaties, or NSO to some degree. NSO is far from paperless. Unless you mean that they are a paper tiger. Then you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Principe Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 It has been done before, and the only alliance that made paperless successful was OSF until they merged to form ASC. Just like communism works in a perfect world but isn't really practical due to human nature.....a paperless FA strategy is great in a perfect world but only leaves one open to opportunism. I do not know whether you are familiar with the alliance called FAN? Although I agree their paperless FA is an experiment still in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 While you have a point, I 'stuck around and worked together' for at least a year after things started to go downhill, and I (and the others who left, mostly before me) did not have the power to stop it. I believe I am permitted some disappointment at seeing an alliance I loved and tried to help in this state. Aye. Too many people are 'black and white'. "You should have stopped it." Right. Cause everyone will always agree with each other. All I will say is once a brotherhood, which represented friendship and civility, diminishes, problems occur. Sometimes they are changeable, sometimes they aren't (such as charters and whatnot interfering). People *did* try to solve the issues, once people realized nothing could hardly be done, their heart no longer belonged in Gre. That kindness and civility amongst one another no longer existed, problem is the whole 'grow thicker skin' came out, which is retarded. Friendship doesn't call for thicker skin, but rather mutual respect and the intelligence of a bull frog to at least remain respectful and nice to one another. If your love and friendship is no longer there, you don't belong there. You'll only hold back the alliances' progression to its new aurora. Many are upset with how its turned out, but that is how life is. I am sure many are glad as well, but the 'oldies' have the right to be upset with the Gremlins just as much as the Gremlins have the right to say "This is our alliance now." Either way, it's reality and we all need to live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I love how people can say an alliance is dead, when that alliance is THAT big, ridiculous. Remember when it was THAT big though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizka Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I do not know whether you are familiar with the alliance called FAN?Although I agree their paperless FA is an experiment still in the works. Test it. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 If these cancellations were due to a critical change in The Grämlins' relationships with their (former) treaty partners I would be sad and worried. But it's not the case, thus I'm only "interested". The Härmlins Accord is as solid as it has always been, anyway... Should our brothers' plan fail I'll have the pleasure to go down in flames with them, making sure to light fierce fireworks in the proceeding. Could be fun. I see you let the lunatics take over the asylum. Grämlins is basically dead if your judgement has become this poor. I hope you will have the opportunity to change your mind, Bob. I actually think you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 It has been done before, and the only alliance that made paperless successful was OSF until they merged to form ASC. That's because us dudes in OSF owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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