Sir Paul Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 All PoW camps will be protected by their respective alliances. Yea, and they do a brilliant job of preventing people from raiding you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yea, and they do a brilliant job of preventing people from raiding you. Then, I have no choice. Calling dibs on first pow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yea, and they do a brilliant job of preventing people from raiding you. Prevention is impossible. There's nothing they can do to stop someone from pushing the "declare war" button, unless they force you to go into peace mode. They can, however, declare war on the person that raids, or ask them to stop raiding since they're being protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 If they surrender this time do you still get to attack them six months from now for cruise missiles launched in the previous three days?I seriously think that this needs to be addressed. PoWs will be engaged six months later after logs are revealed wherein those PoWs state they want revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistledown Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I was referencing FAN's infiltration and destruction of the yellow alliance Auric Armada, which they claimed was an NPO puppet. As I recall, FAN was largely applauded for this action at the time. Which leaves me wondering what's changed that makes it so bad when TPF does it. Perhaps peoples' opinions on such tactics have genuinely changed, but I think it really boils down to the hatred that many still hold for TPF. I don't know that anyone ever thinks something like that is right. In case you missed it, though, the NPO was keeping FAN in eternal war, and their war would never have ended if it hadn't been stopped by Karma. NPO would have used it as a CB, but they were already at war. As far as right and wrong go, I'm not sure that quite matters here. I don't think Athens cares whether it is morally correct, but rather whether it's a threat to them. They were fine with the AA op because it didn't affect them, they're obviously not okay with it when it's directed at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ty345 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 PoWs will be engaged six months later after logs are revealed wherein those PoWs state they want revenge. You guys need to cut this out. Between you, Sir Paul, and a few others, I'm gonna run out of sig room for these quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 If they surrender this time do you still get to attack them six months from now for cruise missiles launched in the previous three days?I seriously think that this needs to be addressed. Actually, no, as TPF is at war with Athens right now, and a TPF nation fighting an Athens nation is perfectly acceptable. What's not acceptable would be for that nation to organize a group of people to infiltrate an alliance that isn't fighting TPF and take them down from the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbacher Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) I believe they were part of the bloc that was preventing NPO(and TPF by default) from getting terms. So yeh, you lose LoD. Also, they were fair game via the treaty web at the time. Keep in mind the only reason this was even discussed was because we saw no end in sight because your 'just' coalition was out for bloodlust. Edited December 30, 2009 by jimbacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Actually, no, as TPF is at war with Athens right now, and a TPF nation fighting an Athens nation is perfectly acceptable.What's not acceptable would be for that nation to organize a group of people to infiltrate an alliance that isn't fighting TPF and take them down from the inside. Haven't we already covered this last bit? I'm so tired of people still playing games with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guus87 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 everyone taunts someone's allies only to see such a huge amount of NS arrayed against them. But does that really matter? Isn't signing a defence treatie the same as to be there for another when !@#$ hits the fan? there is no real courage needed to be a dogpiller. Real courage is found in fighting against greater numbers/ better alliances or against the wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 But does that really matter? Isn't signing a defence treatie the same as to be there for another when !@#$ hits the fan?there is no real courage needed to be a dogpiller. Real courage is found in fighting against greater numbers/ better alliances or against the wave. Real courage could also be ignoring the drama on OWF and waiting for the right time to counter attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 PoWs will be engaged six months later after logs are revealed wherein those PoWs state they want revenge. Haven't we already covered this last bit? I'm so tired of people still playing games with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Haven't we already covered this last bit? I'm so tired of people still playing games with it. I'm so tired of people still playing games with it. Haven't we already covered this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitan Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Individual terms of surrender are now available for nations of The Phoenix Federation. I would like to make it clear that Athens's and Ragnarok's problem is not with TPF's membership, but with those government officials who were complicit in the plotting against us and our associates. This is not your war. Do not feel obligated to fight it. It it no act of cowardice to surrender when you are fighting for a bad cause or for the wrong reason. In fact, it is the sanest thing that you can do. All PoW camps will be protected by their respective alliances. LOL Now you're picking up NPO's lines too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 LOL Now you're picking up NPO's lines too? They are their spawns. I heard NPO sent sleepers in to infiltrate the alliances and twist them to benefit NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askani the rotund Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 LOL Now you're picking up NPO's lines too? Now the circle is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Now the circle is complete. Actually, something like that is generally said in all individual surrender terms announcements. So no, the "circle" is not "complete". Edited December 30, 2009 by Lord of Destruction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yea, and they do a brilliant job of preventing people from raiding you. I imagine they're working on figuring out how to prevent nations from declaring war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good !@#$@#$ luck with these terms, boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapeta Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Great terms, but I have to decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good !@#$@#$ luck with these terms, boys. Well, the terms offered is a far sight better than the support you have given them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijaya Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 This sure is mighty white of you all. Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'm so tired of people still playing games with it. Haven't we already covered this? Haha. Not trying to pick on your post Nizzle. Its just that both sides have been hammering their respective points into the ground for days now. To bring up that "we already covered this" about one of the points just amused me. Me personally, I don't like the idea of trying to sneak into someones alliance for the purpose of destroying the community. I don't care who is doing it. I also don't agree that Athens was considered their enemy during that war. I don't think the sides were as black and white as that. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Very generous terms, very good to see, and well done making the procedure so straightforward and clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HP Wingfoot Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) I read the first couple posts, nothing more. I'm not surrendering. Edited December 31, 2009 by HP Wingfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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