Wu Tang Clan Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 It's like a train wreck in slow motion... all I can do is watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoryproblems Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 GGA has a MDAP with Echelon. This is correct. Actually, from what I've heard, it was GGA's allying with both IRON and Echelon once again that kinda got ODN's panties all wadded up over the GGA deal, among other deals I'm sure. It makes perfect sense for me that GGA would cancel on ODN, theres no sense in GGA maintaining an ally for the sake of not shaking things up when ODN has been wavering on the treaty for months now, dragging the treaty through senate votes several times in recent history. Considering the quality of ODN as an ally under normal circumstances to the alliances they do like, I certianly don't blame GGA canceling a treaty with an ally who apparently didn't really respect them. For all this hating of GGA, they made the right decision, the treaty had run its course and it had reached a point where 1) they and ODN didn't match up all that much on ideals and 2) ODN repetitively showed they we're considering canceling it, but lacked the stones to get it done. From my understanding, GGA didn't cancel this treaty because they thought ODN was going to cancel, it was because ODN had become and had acted in ways that made it no longer reasonable for GGA to be allied to them. (differences in ideals, repetitively questioning GGA on their actions and voting on the treaty on multiple occasions.) Best of luck to both parties, particularly that awesome bunch GGA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Actually, from what I've heard, it was GGA's allying with both IRON and Echelon once again that kinda got ODN's panties all wadded up over the GGA deal, among other deals I'm sure. heh IRON maybe but Echelon? Do not assume that yourselves figure too highly in our collective thinking . As for lacking the stones to cancel may i suggest you re-read the number of posts by Arsenal on the subject of the treaty coming up before the Senate. Edited December 11, 2009 by Cataduanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style #386 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) -snip- I will again reiterate that this is the first cancellation review for this treaty. Save for its ratification, there were never any votes on the GGA treaty. Best of luck to both parties, particularly that awesome bunch GGA. Thank you. Luck unto ye as well, good sir. Edit: heh IRON maybe but Echelon? Do not assume that yourselves figure too highly in our collective thinking . As for lacking the stones to cancel may i suggest you re-read the number of posts by Arsenal on the subject of the treaty coming up before the Senate. To be fair, Cata, I, among others, was less than thrilled to learn of the Echelon MADP. Edited December 11, 2009 by Style #386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King MyLife Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) This is extremely dumb. Do you guys even know what your fighting about? GGA having a treaty with an alliance that they really like and are good friends with. Is that some sort of crime? Just because other people dont like your friend you cant be friends with them? Okay and anyways your also arguing about GGAs past. This is the future. People Change. Get over it. Yes it's a crime because it's GGA we talking about here... And ironchef is the culprit for all the crimes that GGA commited... Throw her into the dungeon where she can never see light again... And again this thread PHAILS horribly...Mods really need to close this %$#^ing thread already.. Edited December 11, 2009 by mylife125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 To be fair, Cata, I, among others, was less than thrilled to learn of the Echelon MADP. I stand corrected, bravo Echelon for actually figuring in our Govts discussions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I stand corrected, bravo Echelon for actually figuring in our Govts discussions I did mention this point earlier in this increasingly tedious and unproductive discussion. But Echelon really is a very minor factor, so I suggest we don't expend too much energy on the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) ODN asking others about honor? Even *I* think you should put a sock in it. Edit: Also, congrats ODN. Convenient for your new FA strategy, which I think is a good one. Edited December 11, 2009 by Zombie Glaucon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Oh wow, looks like people are STILL not reading treaties. Good to know VE's joined the in crowd.Green and Orange Squishy Stuff. According to their wikis, neither IRON nor GGA have any MADPs. The wiki (for GGA at least) has been edited recently to mark the downgrade of the treaty from MADP to MDoAP, which was mentioned in my treaty web thread recently (since the last update I think) by an IRON poster. IRON's MADPs have appeared as such on the web for almost a year and have only recently been altered by IRON, in an unannounced move. It appears the original treaty was indeed a MDoAP and not an MADP, but it has been recorded on the wiki as an MADP for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildeKaard Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) It's good to see that in this politically anemic time on Planet Bob we at the GGA can still inspire 25 page threads. Kinda brings a tear to my eye. <sniff> Edited December 11, 2009 by WildeKaard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 It's good to see that in this politically anemic time on Planet Bob we at the GGA can still inspire 25 page threads. Kinda brings a tear to my eye.<sniff> That's not necessarily a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneprice Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 The wiki (for GGA at least) has been edited recently to mark the downgrade of the treaty from MADP to MDoAP, which was mentioned in my treaty web thread recently (since the last update I think) by an IRON poster. IRON's MADPs have appeared as such on the web for almost a year and have only recently been altered by IRON, in an unannounced move.It appears the original treaty was indeed a MDoAP and not an MADP, but it has been recorded on the wiki as an MADP for a long time. Well, after the Karma war, IRON downgraded all MADP's to MDoAP's to prevent god-awful chaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 It's good to see that in this politically anemic time on Planet Bob we at the GGA can still inspire 25 page threads. Kinda brings a tear to my eye. ODN and GGA still have much in common, you see. Putting us together is like a perfect storm for attracting rabble-rousers, malcontents, authors of speculative fiction and other ne'erdowells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfHoward Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) I didn't find out IRON downgraded all their treaties until this event and after talking to shane. I sympathize with people who are confused as I don't think IRON ever announced this(Correct me with a link to the announcement it I'm wrong. Edited December 11, 2009 by SonOfHoward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 ODN and GGA still have much in common, you see. Putting us together is like a perfect storm for attracting rabble-rousers, malcontents, authors of speculative fiction and other ne'erdowells. I wonder which one I am... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I didn't find out IRON downgraded all their treaties until this event and after talking to shane. I sympathize with people who are confused as I don't think IRON ever announced this(Correct me with a link to the announcement it I'm wrong. That was never announced, but it was brought up in Bob Janova's treaty web topic a bit back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I wonder which one I am... B) You might need your own category - that list was not exhaustive. Sometimes ODN & GGA threads also attract friends, considerate allies, thoughtful commentators, and other productive citizens of Bob. Even in this age, civil discussion remains possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Quite a few people have taken to not announcing treaty changes here on these forums. It's now a pretty good idea to verify your impressions of what other alliances are doing using other means than just checking for posts in AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildeKaard Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 You might need your own category - that list was not exhaustive. Sometimes ODN & GGA threads also attract friends, considerate allies, thoughtful commentators, and other productive citizens of Bob. Even in this age, civil discussion remains possible. Quite the diplomatic response. I applaud you sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankees Empire Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 <snip> Why weren't we invited to your circus senate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Why weren't we invited to your circus senate? Would you really want to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Would you really want to be? I'd grab some... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Now I remember why we don't like potato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 It's good to see that in this politically anemic time on Planet Bob we at the GGA can still inspire 25 page threads. Kinda brings a tear to my eye.<sniff> Yaknow..last time you had a thread go longer than a couple pages you got quite the verbal beating during Karma war and in that 60+ page coup lulfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chairman Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 IRON loves GGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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